Re: live and learn

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Simon Geard wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 13:16 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: >> Use a red colored prompt when running with root authorization. > > Oh yes, I can't agree with that one enough. Not that you want to > accidentally run "rm -rf ~" as *any* user, I run 'rm *~' often enough. I am alway

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 13:16 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Use a red colored prompt when running with root authorization. Oh yes, I can't agree with that one enough. Not that you want to accidentally run "rm -rf ~" as *any* user, but the red root prompt is a useful reminder that you're playing with

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:16:24 -0500 >> Mike McCarty wrote: >> >> Use a red colored prompt when running with root authorization. >> >> Hope you keep learning for a long time. >> >> Mike > > See, this is a good point. :) > > I should fix this on my system. You might try

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
>On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:16:24 -0500 >Mike McCarty wrote: > > Use a red colored prompt when running with root authorization. > > Hope you keep learning for a long time. > > Mike See, this is a good point. :) I should fix this on my system. -AKuktin -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listi

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Neal Murphy
On Friday 11 June 2010 14:16:24 Mike McCarty wrote: > Hope you keep learning for a long time. > > Mike To misquote a fictional character, "Learn long and prosper." Same thing, really. :) -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Mike McCarty
piper.guy1 wrote: > Thanks for all your tips, advice, lectures, opinions, etc. Very > positive community. I think I'm going to enjoy my LFS experience. I That's one thing I really like here, unlike the "user support lists" for standard distros, which are full of bickering and posturing. [...] >

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread piper.guy1
Thanks for all your tips, advice, lectures, opinions, etc. Very positive community. I think I'm going to enjoy my LFS experience. I can definitely say that despite the obvious lesson for me here (think before [Enter]), mistakes aren't necessarily a completely negative thing, as you can learn a grea

Re: live and learn

2010-06-11 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 03:55 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Simon Geard wrote: > > I quite like an idea Fedora are working on - if installed to a btrfs > > partition, use it's snapshot support to provide an easy rollback option > > when installing updates. > > > > I've been meaning to try that approa

Re: live and learn

2010-06-10 Thread Mike McCarty
Simon Geard wrote: > I quite like an idea Fedora are working on - if installed to a btrfs > partition, use it's snapshot support to provide an easy rollback option > when installing updates. > > I've been meaning to try that approach myself, since I've trashed more > than a few systems while tryin

Re: live and learn

2010-06-10 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 12:00 -0400, linux fan wrote: > Speaking of backups and rescue disks, I am using an "rsync snapshots" > style of backup. It does not compress, yet it can save multiple > "copies" of a system at different points in time using remarkable > little disk space. Any "copy" can be rs

Re: live and learn

2010-06-09 Thread Mike McCarty
Theron Stanford wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Mike McCarty > wrote: >> Possibly. However, who prints the book? Mostly, I was cut'n'pasting >> the commands. > > I print the book. However, I print it 9-up to save paper. I like > having the hard copy to read on the train. NINE up? Ho

Re: live and learn

2010-06-09 Thread linux fan
On 6/8/10, Neal Murphy wrote: > ... You'll learn to pause before hitting . > I learned that lesson very quickly. It is extremely important. My system wouldn't last long without backups. Speaking of backups and rescue disks, I am using an "rsync snapshots" style of backup. It does not compress,

Re: live and learn

2010-06-09 Thread Theron Stanford
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: > Neal Murphy wrote: > >> A possible future enhancement to 'the book' might be to incorporate >> checkboxes >> that a newbie would check off as she performs each step. Extra work? Yes. But >> worth it to make each step clearer? Yes again. > > P

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Neal Murphy wrote: [...] > But you are right. I had no backups and no excuses. I have an empty 400GB > drive that would have held most of that data. And there's no reason I could > not have saved all the pics to DVDs. I didn't. I lost. Oh, well. No one died, > and no critters or humans were ha

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Neal Murphy wrote: [...] > mid-nineties. And just a couple weeks ago, I overwrote a disk that contained > half of a couple striped MD filesystems. Lost nearly 10 years of pics and > history. Another time, while redesigning the Smoothwall build system, I Of course, you've got it all on backup.

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: > >> Yeah, deleting the link without changing your /etc/passwd entry >> to point to a valid shell would do that. > > Changing the /etc/password file won't do much. The bootscripts need > /bin/sh. I'm talking about his host, not LFS. I have no idea what

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Benton wrote: > On 08/06/10 21:54, Mike McCarty wrote: >> piper.guy1 wrote: >>> Sooo...before I do something else that I'm not suppose to do, I >>> thought I'd get advise first. My thinking is that I need to get a >>> Linux rescue or recovery CD, mount the file system on the hard drive, >>>

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread littlebat
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:08:18 -0400 > In " Host system Requirements", the instructions explicitly wants > '/bin/sh' to be pointing to bash. Mine was pointing to dash. under Ubuntu, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash". > Any recommendations on a rescue disk? CDlinux. ( http://cdlinux.info/ ) PS: tr

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 20:05:46 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Neal Murphy wrote: > > I started playing with UNIX in 1986, and Linux in the > > mid-nineties. And just a couple weeks ago, I overwrote a disk that > > contained half of a couple striped MD filesystems. Lost nearly 10 years > > of pics and histo

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Neal Murphy wrote: > I started playing with UNIX in 1986, and Linux in the > mid-nineties. And just a couple weeks ago, I overwrote a disk that contained > half of a couple striped MD filesystems. Lost nearly 10 years of pics and > history. No backups? How is this different (in effect) from a

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 18:57:21 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: > > # cd LFS/6.3 > > # rm -rf build > > > > and deleted /dev from my host system! No discs, no printers, no > > terminals, etc. I rebooted with a Knoppix disc, let it populate > > /dev, and then mounted my hard drive, and cop

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 16:54:52 Mike McCarty wrote: > piper.guy1 wrote: > > One more thing. Seeing that this is a very risky thing to be advising > > in LFS 6.6, can I suggest that the authour(s) add some caveats around > > this instruction? The best way to do LFS is to pretend you are the comput

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread piper.guy1
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, linux fan wrote: > I haven't read where piper.guy confirmed that bash is installed or > that if bash is not installed, that changing the link to point to bash > won't help. > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromsc

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mike McCarty wrote: > Yeah, deleting the link without changing your /etc/passwd entry > to point to a valid shell would do that. Changing the /etc/password file won't do much. The bootscripts need /bin/sh. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mike McCarty wrote: > # cd LFS/6.3 > # rm -rf build > > and deleted /dev from my host system! No discs, no printers, no > terminals, etc. I rebooted with a Knoppix disc, let it populate > /dev, and then mounted my hard drive, and copied (yes copied > using cp) /dev onto my hard drive. I don't t

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
linux fan wrote: > I haven't read where piper.guy confirmed that bash is installed or > that if bash is not installed, that changing the link to point to bash > won't help. I don't know of a distro that doesn't install bash by default unless you are using tomsrtbt. -- Bruce -- http://linuxf

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread linux fan
I haven't read where piper.guy confirmed that bash is installed or that if bash is not installed, that changing the link to point to bash won't help. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Andrew Benton
On 08/06/10 21:54, Mike McCarty wrote: > piper.guy1 wrote: >> Sooo...before I do something else that I'm not suppose to do, I >> thought I'd get advise first. My thinking is that I need to get a >> Linux rescue or recovery CD, mount the file system on the hard drive, >> and then add a symlink to ba

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Mike McCarty
piper.guy1 wrote: > Hi, > > Started reading and doing what the book says (6.6). Didn't take too > long before I got myself into trouble. :-( Hee hee! Aren't we having fun! Before starting in on something like this, be sure your backup and recovery procedure works well. So, join the explicitly no

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Ken Moffat
On 8 June 2010 21:08, piper.guy1 wrote: > > Sooo...before I do something else that I'm not suppose to do, I > thought I'd get advise first. My thinking is that I need to get a > Linux rescue or recovery CD, mount the file system on the hard drive, > and then add a symlink to bash. Make sense or is

Re: live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
piper.guy1 wrote: > Hi, > > Started reading and doing what the book says (6.6). Didn't take too > long before I got myself into trouble. :-( > > In " Host system Requirements", the instructions explicitly wants > '/bin/sh' to be pointing to bash. Mine was pointing to dash. So I > endeavoured to c

live and learn

2010-06-08 Thread piper.guy1
Hi, Started reading and doing what the book says (6.6). Didn't take too long before I got myself into trouble. :-( In " Host system Requirements", the instructions explicitly wants '/bin/sh' to be pointing to bash. Mine was pointing to dash. So I endeavoured to change it by deleting the symlink a