Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Luca Barbato
On 30/12/11 20:05, Måns Rullgård wrote: The matter at hand has nothing to do with POSIX compliance. It is simply incorrect use of *any* normal shell on the user's part. We might as well add specific instructions to not write --enalbe with --enable is intended. Someone might do that and not see

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
Diego Biurrun writes: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:18:14AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote: >> On 12/30/2011 11:12 AM, Måns Rullgård wrote: >> >By that reasoning, we should be including the entire wikipedia since >> >it's full of good information the user might find useful. >> >> I'm going to have to

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Anton Khirnov
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:35:35 +, Måns Rullgård wrote: > Derek Buitenhuis writes: > > > On 30/12/2011 2:17 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: > >>> > I'm sorry you see it in such a binary fashion. > >>> > > >>> > "All or nothing." > >> So where do you draw the line? > > > > I go by this: > > > > 1) I

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Diego Biurrun
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:18:14AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote: > On 12/30/2011 11:12 AM, Måns Rullgård wrote: > >By that reasoning, we should be including the entire wikipedia since > >it's full of good information the user might find useful. > > I'm going to have to protest in order to point out

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
Derek Buitenhuis writes: > On 30/12/2011 2:17 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: >>> > I'm sorry you see it in such a binary fashion. >>> > >>> > "All or nothing." >> So where do you draw the line? > > I go by this: > > 1) Is it documented somewhere accessibly in other projects? > 2) Do we keep getting q

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 30/12/2011 2:17 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: > I'm sorry you see it in such a binary fashion. > > "All or nothing." So where do you draw the line? I go by this: 1) Is it documented somewhere accessibly in other projects? 2) Do we keep getting questions about it? 3) Is it useful? 1) shows it

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Mike Melanson
On 12/30/2011 11:12 AM, Måns Rullgård wrote: By that reasoning, we should be including the entire wikipedia since it's full of good information the user might find useful. I'm going to have to protest in order to point out a crucial difference: I introduced this patch to document an obnoxious

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
Derek Buitenhuis writes: > On 30/12/2011 2:12 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: >>> I know it's a "matter of principle", but really, isn't it more >>> > important for the user to be able to have good access to info >>> > if they run into this problem? >> By that reasoning, we should be including the ent

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 30/12/2011 2:12 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: I know it's a "matter of principle", but really, isn't it more > important for the user to be able to have good access to info > if they run into this problem? By that reasoning, we should be including the entire wikipedia since it's full of good inf

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
Derek Buitenhuis writes: > On 30/12/2011 2:06 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: >>> It's not Libav-specific, but if often comes up in Libav. Isn't that >>> > what a FAQ is for? >> Then it belongs in a shell FAQ, of which there are plenty, but ours is >> not one of them. > > I know it's a "matter of princ

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 30/12/2011 2:06 PM, Måns Rullgård wrote: It's not Libav-specific, but if often comes up in Libav. Isn't that > what a FAQ is for? Then it belongs in a shell FAQ, of which there are plenty, but ours is not one of them. I know it's a "matter of principle", but really, isn't it more important

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
"Ronald S. Bultje" writes: > Hi, > > 2011/12/29 Måns Rullgård : >> "Ronald S. Bultje" writes: >>> 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård : Luca Barbato writes: > On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: >> I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell >> syntax. >>>

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
Luca Barbato writes: > On 29/12/11 18:57, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård: >>> Luca Barbato writes: >>> On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: > I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell > syntax. I think it might be

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-29 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 29/12/11 18:57, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: >> 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård: >>> >>> Luca Barbato  writes: >>> On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: > > I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell > s

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-29 Thread Luca Barbato
On 29/12/11 18:57, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: Hi, 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård: Luca Barbato writes: On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell syntax. I think it might be a shell specific glitch, dash is quite known for those...

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-29 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, 2011/12/29 Måns Rullgård : > "Ronald S. Bultje" writes: >> 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård : >>> Luca Barbato writes: >>> On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: > I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell > syntax. I think it might be a shell specif

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
"Ronald S. Bultje" writes: > Hi, > > 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård : >> Luca Barbato writes: >> >>> On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell syntax. >>> >>> I think it might be a shell specific glitch, dash is quite known fo

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-12-29 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, 2011/11/21 Måns Rullgård : > Luca Barbato writes: > >> On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: >>> I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell >>> syntax. >> >> I think it might be a shell specific glitch, dash is quite known for >> those... > > We are also not the bug

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Luca Barbato writes: > On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: >> I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell >> syntax. > > I think it might be a shell specific glitch, dash is quite known for > those... We are also not the bug tracker for dash. -- Måns Rullgård m...@m

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-21 Thread Luca Barbato
On 21/11/11 15:09, Måns Rullgård wrote: > I don't think this is the right place for a basic tutorial on shell > syntax. I think it might be a shell specific glitch, dash is quite known for those... -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Diego Biurrun writes: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 09:48:45PM -0800, m...@multimedia.cx wrote: >> From: Mike Melanson >> >> FATE samples paths can not be contain a '~' character. This has bitten me >> on multiple occasions and I have heard I'm not the only victim. >> >> --- a/doc/fate.txt >> +++

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-21 Thread Diego Biurrun
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 09:48:45PM -0800, m...@multimedia.cx wrote: > From: Mike Melanson > > FATE samples paths can not be contain a '~' character. This has bitten me > on multiple occasions and I have heard I'm not the only victim. > > --- a/doc/fate.txt > +++ b/doc/fate.txt > @@ -12,6 +12,8 @

Re: [libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
m...@multimedia.cx writes: > From: Mike Melanson > > FATE samples paths can not be contain a '~' character. This has bitten me > on multiple occasions and I have heard I'm not the only victim. Clearly, you do not understand how the shell works. :) -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com __

[libav-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Document a critical gotcha in FATE

2011-11-20 Thread mike
From: Mike Melanson FATE samples paths can not be contain a '~' character. This has bitten me on multiple occasions and I have heard I'm not the only victim. --- doc/fate.txt |2 ++ 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/fate.txt b/doc/fate.txt index b23d3f6..ac2b