Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Brant Olson
See my prior response to Eric on specific concerns he raised and my questions. Doing my best to translate, -Brant On May 5, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Joanne Michele wrote: Brant Olson joined yesterday but hasn't provided any information or addressed specific concerns, as far as I know. I did get a r

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Collin Anderson
> > But the way they've handled questions from the community--including people > who want to help them--what an unnecessary screw up! Beyond Avaaz's histrionics and innuendo over banal service attacks, the attention of the community might be better spent on considering the material implications

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Joanne Michele
Brant Olson joined yesterday but hasn't provided any information or addressed specific concerns, as far as I know. I did get a response from him on Twitter on a related question, so he must be paying attention. On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Yvette Alberdingkthijm wrote: > I am just the messeng

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Kate Krauss
This could literally be a textbook case in how not to handle questions from the community and the press. I suspect that they are using a MoveOn-perfected model for email fundraising solicitations. You use a real event and turn around and, within a few hours of it happening, send out a very form

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Robert Guerra
+1 Sent from a mobile device. Apologies for typos or brevity. On 2012-05-05, at 4:52 PM, Marcin de Kaminski wrote: Thank you, Yvette. That statement still does not explain why the donation is needed (since their system could stand the attack). Marcin Yvette Alberdingkthijm skrev: > > Hi al

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Yvette Alberdingkthijm
I am just the messenger here…:) Will suggest that they should join, if someone has not already. Thanks, YAT Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm Executive Director WITNESS 80 Hanson Place Brooklyn, NY 11217 phone: + 1(718) 783 2271 europe: +31 619031122 mobile: + 1 (347) 210 0152 skype: yvette-a or wi

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Marcin de Kaminski
Thank you, Yvette. That statement still does not explain why the donation is needed (since their system could stand the attack). Marcin Yvette Alberdingkthijm skrev: Hi all, Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as I brought the discussion to his attentio

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Yvette Alberdingkthijm
Hi all, Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as I brought the discussion to his attention) and here is what he said: It's a statement quoting the CEO of our hosting company. Would you mind posting it to that discussion or asking someone to? I'm not part of it -

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Fran Parker
Totally agree, Zack! It's a tough world out there -- for Advocacy as it is for any other venture. Keeping the keel and rudder pointed correctly so the advocacy ship doesn't run aground is not an easy gig. Especially in such a fickle world where you can't afford to have anyone misjudge your int

[liberationtech] CfP: CyberOrient: The Net Worth of the Arab Spring

2012-05-05 Thread Yosem Companys
2nd Call for Papers **apologies for cross posting** “The Net Worth of the Arab Spring” Call for Papers - Special Issue CyberOrient: Online Journal of the Virtual Middle East Editor-in-Chief: Daniel Martin Varisco Guest Editor: Ines Braune Submission deadline: 31 May 2012 Aim As the first anniver

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Zack Brisson
Hi all, I just want to say thanks to everyone for this conversation. Whatever the facts of the situation are (and they seem spotty and hard to grab at the moment), I'm perceiving a credible, relatively civil, discussion about the form and function of modern social advocacy. Trumped up claims, dra

[liberationtech] Avaaz Cyber Attack Ends After 44 Hours

2012-05-05 Thread Yosem Companys
https://secure.avaaz.org/act/media.php?press_id=321 *Friday 4th May, 2012* *Avaaz Cyber Attack Ends After 44 Hours * *A Distributed Denial of Service attack on the Avaaz website ended after 44 hours yesterday. Initial inquiries suggest the attack was a 'call of duty' attack using old gaming pr

Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

2012-05-05 Thread Marcin de Kaminski
I also agree that speculation is a bad thing. It can also hurt Avaaz even more (even if this is really accelerated by them not answering important questions). BUT, the claimed attack on Avaaz and the discussions in the aftermath can still be useful as a case for discussion. For instance, I think