Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Brian Conley
Oh! Definitley. My biggest concern about the general digital security abroad, until recently has been the predominance of Internet Explorer 6 as the browser of choice! I do believe that's changing. I'm simply acknowledging that its great Nadim seems, at least thus far, to be keeping the browser-si

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Jillian C. York
Brian, Just to be clear, you do realize that your argument assumes a user either a) has Chrome installed or b) has the permissions to install Chrome? In a perfect world, that would be true for every user, but given how much time you've spent abroad, I'm sure you know how most cybercafes work...

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread frank
That's a very good point, Michael. The challenge is to help people understand that no having perfect solution does not mean simply ignore all electronic risks. As people are still using technology, as you also note.I also think we all have a tendancy to develop narratives that are consistent with w

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Brian Conley
In my attempt for brevity, I forgot to congratulate Nadim on the Chrome implementation. I'd also like to ask that anyone who is critical of pushing individuals to implement the chrome extension please *try installing the chrome extension* and provide us their thoughts as to whether this is still a

Re: [liberationtech] Need Wiki or Site for This List's Guidelines

2012-08-08 Thread Yosem Companys
I forgot about that one... Anyone on the list knows who runs it? (Sys admin and program admin are always separate.) On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Lee Fisher wrote: > On 8/8/12 1:47 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:> I suggested that Douglas look > for a widely-read and established > > Liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Need Wiki or Site for This List's Guidelines

2012-08-08 Thread Lee Fisher
On 8/8/12 1:47 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:> I suggested that Douglas look for a widely-read and established > Liberationtech-type wiki to host this information. Douglas is doing this > to help out the community, and it would be nice to have a widely-read place > to post the info, so it would hav

Re: [liberationtech] Need Wiki or Site for This List's Guidelines

2012-08-08 Thread Yosem Companys
I suggested that Douglas look for a widely-read and established Liberationtech-type wiki to host this information. Douglas is doing this to help out the community, and it would be nice to have a widely-read place to post the info, so it would have immediate visibility. Thanks, Yosem On Wed, Aug

Re: [liberationtech] Need Wiki or Site for This List's Guidelines

2012-08-08 Thread Marcin de Kaminski
You can use pads and link the static link to latest revision to make it more stable (and backend interactive). Whenever the pad is edited, the doc in the static link also follows the edits. /Marcin Douglas Lucas skrev 2012-08-08 22.44: > Hi Libtech, > > I'm writing up some caveats for using Drop

[liberationtech] Need Wiki or Site for This List's Guidelines

2012-08-08 Thread Douglas Lucas
Hi Libtech, I'm writing up some caveats for using Dropbox or Google Docs as a replacement for attaching files to this email list, and we need a well-read wiki or other site to publish the information (text and links). Does anyone have a suggestion? We're using a PiratePad[1] for drafting the infor

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Brian Conley
Hi all, I've been trying to decide how to weigh in on this thread, I'm sure some of you are surprised its taken me this long to jump in. That said, I'll keep this brief, because I'm going to write up more detailed thoughts on a blog post that I'll share with the list. The first issue I see is re

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/12 06:19, fr...@journalistsecurity.net wrote: > How many people on this list have spent time asking > non-technologists and other users who have tried, but have since > given up even trying to use tools like PGP? Or have examined how > new use

Re: [liberationtech] Hacktivism PDF's

2012-08-08 Thread Griffin Boyce
This is also used to share (usually .jar) files on 4chan and other imageboards. It's highly insecure of course, but an option if you're restricted by filetype for some reason. ~Griffin On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM, dan jones wrote: > On 08/08/12 23:07, David Majlak wrote: > > > > I'd just

Re: [liberationtech] Wired's response to Soghoian's criticism of their Cryptocat article

2012-08-08 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I am getting legitimately angry about this personal drama that's latching itself into my project. I've tweeted my feelings: https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/233243402798497792 NK On 2012-08-08, at 3:06 AM, "André Rebentisch" wrote: > I think Wired is losing me, Greg. The article is far too co

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/08/2012 06:37 AM, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:18:02PM -0700, e...@sundelof.com wrote 4.7K bytes > in 111 lines about: > :partial defenses using any technology tool. I may feel too strong about > :tools being discussed as THE solution or THE bulletproof vest

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Erik Sundelof
Andrew: That is exactly what I was trying to say but you explained it much better :-) Erik Sent from my iPad On Aug 8, 2012, at 6:37 AM, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:18:02PM -0700, e...@sundelof.com wrote 4.7K bytes > in 111 lines about: > :partial defenses us

[liberationtech] Interesting Discussion on the Law Election list on the new Obama iPhone app

2012-08-08 Thread Yosem Companys
fyi -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael McDonald Date: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [EL] Changing Notions of Privacy To: law-elect...@uci.edu This information has been freely available to the general public via ftp for years in two states. It is freely available or

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread liberationtech
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:18:02PM -0700, e...@sundelof.com wrote 4.7K bytes in 111 lines about: :partial defenses using any technology tool. I may feel too strong about :tools being discussed as THE solution or THE bulletproof vest so to speak. I'm not picking on you Erik, but this comment final

[liberationtech] Join an online dialogue on spaces as catalysts for greater citizen participation

2012-08-08 Thread Kristin Antin
Join Rising Voices, Social Media Exchange (SMEX) and the New Tactics online community for an online dialogue on *Physical spaces as catalysts for greater digital citizen participation*from August 8 to 14,

Re: [liberationtech] Hacktivism PDF's

2012-08-08 Thread dan jones
On 08/08/12 23:07, David Majlak wrote: > > I'd just like to add one cool thing they show you how to do in the > pack: Apparently al-qaeda was transmitting files via jpeg. You can zip > or rar a file, and combine them in the CMD prompt, and when you open > it, only the picture will open until you ei

[liberationtech] Hacktivism PDF's

2012-08-08 Thread David Majlak
Someone mentioned not opening PDF's if you don't trust the source, and linking to .txt's. If anyone is interested in the information I provided but cautious of PDF's, I can convert them to txt format if you like and bundle the related pictures. I'd just like to add one cool thing they show you how

Re: [liberationtech] Hacktivism tutorials

2012-08-08 Thread dan jones
Don't open PDFs if you don't trust the source. Period. And even then, if you do. Your printer is easy to compromise and could lead to anybody sniffing your network, to name just one of many attacks. What is wrong with a text file? On 08/08/12 22:55, David Majlak wrote: > I don't know if the list

[liberationtech] Hacktivism tutorials

2012-08-08 Thread David Majlak
I don't know if the listserve will censor the attachment, but i've attached a rar of a collection of PDF's that show you how to perform certain things. I recently saw Anonymous post about CODE TYLER, where everyone takes all the documents they can from work on a USB drive and uploads illegal inform

Re: [liberationtech] Wired's response to Soghoian's criticism of their Cryptocat article

2012-08-08 Thread André Rebentisch
I think Wired is losing me, Greg. The article is far too complex. We are aware that maturated tools tend to be more secure than new approaches. That experience and open review matters. That there is no absolute security. Or in Prussian army terms: "cleaned", not "clean". Brave HIV testing won't p

Re: [liberationtech] Wired's response to Soghoian's criticism of their Cryptocat article

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: > I would rather read what the list thinks about Singel's non-sequitur foray > into public health policy on HIV/AIDS as it relates to the Catholic church, > than a discussion about another discussion. After reading the relevant articles, wha

Re: [liberationtech] Wired's response to Soghoian's criticism of their Cryptocat article

2012-08-08 Thread Collin Anderson
I would rather read what the list thinks about Singel's non-sequitur foray into public health policy on HIV/AIDS as it relates to the Catholic church, than a discussion about another discussion. Wired, along with most publications, often writes naive pieces for a non-technical audience that danger

[liberationtech] Wired's response to Soghoian's criticism of their Cryptocat article

2012-08-08 Thread Greg Norcie
I am interested in what the list thinks of this recent Wired article: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/security-researchers/all/ I have written a few paragraphs, but I'll sit on them until morning and see if I am still as unhappy w/ Wired tomorrow morning as I am now before posting them pu