Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
exists to support it. Got some? -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/libe

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
meeting you at unlike us. I'm not arguing for or against any "extremes" I'm trying to understand the relations between economic relations and network topologies. best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberat

[liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12 Last week I wrote about one of the topics Jacob Appelbaum and I discussed at our talk at Re:publica 2012 {1}; that as a result of the commercialization of the Internet, we have moved from

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-20 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
erty, no economic barriers to education or health, no business models that cause environmental catastrophe, then we can have neither democracy nor freedom. And yes, this means we also have a moral right to decide that we don't want surveillance and control to be the driving requirement of

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-21 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
isions? Might makes right? -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberati

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-21 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 21.05.2012 15:23, Meredith L. Patterson wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Dmytri Kleiner While the species as a whole is deeply social, the degree of sociability for any given *individual* is highly variable, and indeed varies along more than one axis. Some of its axes have extrema

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 22.05.2012 00:22, Pavol Luptak wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 03:01:21PM +0200, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: If they received similar financing, p2p and distributed applications From who? Ultimately, from the people using it. And how do you want to solve it without stealing money from the

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
27;m just happy the pollution only goes down stream! Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanfor

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
tion possible without, under normal circumstances, requiring more brutal forms of state compulsion." -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your su

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ppropriate for every country. -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberati

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 22.05.2012 09:41, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: c) net exports are insufficient. Sorry, I meant net imports here. Just in case anybody is paying attention to the implied macroeconomic identities. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Dmytri Kleiner writes: Taxation is not stealing. And freedom is slavery. I'm out of here. I don't have time to argue semantics. Great, so the fact that taxation can derive from community created or natural wealth, that would otherwise accrue as unearned private income, and

Re: [liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-23 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 22.05.2012 09:41, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: c) net exports are insufficient. Sorry, I meant net imports here. Just in case anybody is paying attention to the implied macroeconomic identities. Best, ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech

[liberationtech] Beautiful Trouble Book Launch today in Berlin.

2012-09-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
stammtisch: "Debt As A Public Good" --> http://www.dmytri.info/debt-as-a-public-good/ Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

[liberationtech] Beautiful Trouble Book Launch today in Berlin.

2012-09-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
stammtisch: "Debt As A Public Good" --> http://www.dmytri.info/debt-as-a-public-good/ Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

[liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-10-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
n, if not, R15N continues at Mal au Pixel in Paris, you can join the network by calling +33 181 97 97 11 online version is here: http://www.dmytri.info/bitcoin-and-public-money/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
tal, but politically and economically no more threatening than gold, cash or cocaine, simply easier to store and transfer. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 01.11.2012 21:04, StealthMonger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmytri Kleiner writes: So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ... I certainly don't. You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters such as your own h

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 01.11.2012 21:04, StealthMonger wrote: Dmytri Kleiner writes: So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ... I certainly don't. You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters such as your own health care or the education of your own children.

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ed public forms will none-the-less require taxation, certainly more just, and certainly as voluntary as possible, but not the less required. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
? Anonymous markets have thrived throughout history, and probably before. Do you care to inform us of any period of history where markets thrived while not supported and managed by non-market social institutions? Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
nditions managed and supported by non-market institutions, actually quite a heavily ritualized example. Your example is not even anonymous, as this sort of trade was usually conducted by way of the "big man" of the tribe. Try again? Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 05.11.2012 11:19, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: until people have an alternative, people will not choose to starve. Thanks Jake! That sums it it perfectly. Thanks to Maxim and Gregory for their contributions as well. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist -- Unsubscribe, change to digest

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Yosem, pretty sure the thread has run its course at this point. But in any case we can't get the tech part right if we don't get the liberation part right.  The user stories for liberation tech must certainly derive from visions of liberation, or?  Especially when the tech in question is e

[liberationtech] Dear #NETMundial, Governance is cool and all, but we need to DEMAND IPv6 NOW! cc #OurNetMundial

2014-04-29 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Government signed SSL certificate for every citizen! If each citizen had a public address space, a domain name and a signed certificate, the leaky pipes of the Internet could be fixed, the surveillance mould would dissipate, and new privacy-respecting applications could flourish!

[liberationtech] The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value

2018-02-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/face-value-bitcoin-proof-work-labour-theory-value/2018/02/01 # The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value Dmytri Kleiner Bitcoin was created to be a new kind of money rooted in a vision of a market not bound by geography, banks