Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-04 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
I've noticed that this discussion has a tendency to be framed in terms of the crypto primitives. The core problems, as I see them, are actually somewhat unrelated to whether it's possible to efficiently perform cryptographic operations in JavaScript or not. In my reading, this blog post seems to

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-06 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/06/2012 05:28 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: > A /safer /web-based tool than Facebook chat with a GIANT WARNING is far > better than everyone continuing to hold their discussions in insecure fora. I think this sentence is really the essence of the problem. Why do you assume it's safer? Crypt

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-06 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/06/2012 06:22 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote: > Is not Riseup accessed over SSL webmail a comparable analogy to current > Cryptocat? And yet activists without their own .mx trust Riseup, and no > one says there's little to no difference between Facebook email and > Riseup email. I actually disagr

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-06 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/06/2012 06:59 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: > Except that with your harm mitigation, you push many potential users > back to plaintext, where they are guaranteed to be owned. What > percentage of potential cryptocat users would the plugin version have to > stop from using the tool for you to a

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-07 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/06/2012 10:19 PM, fr...@journalistsecurity.net wrote: > No doubt the functional security of tools is an indispensable, essential > concern. Ignoring any vulnerabilities is dangerous, indeed. But the > usability of the same tools and making them accessible to > non-technologists is just as b

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-08 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/08/2012 06:37 AM, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:18:02PM -0700, e...@sundelof.com wrote 4.7K bytes > in 111 lines about: > :partial defenses using any technology tool. I may feel too strong about > :tools being discussed as THE solution or THE bulletproof vest

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned while preparing a mobile security curriculum

2012-08-13 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 08/13/2012 09:18 AM, Brian Conley wrote: > I'd love your thoughts, you may also be interested in some of the issues > I've noted with TextSecure and Truecrypt, and how they may provide > lessons to all of us involved in developing better tools and training > for activists, journalists, etc. H

Re: [liberationtech] Silent Circle Dangerous to Cryptography Software Development

2012-10-11 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 10/11/2012 09:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > James, you can charge for a service and leave it as open source > software. This has been done countless times over the years and has > functioned successfully. I am not against Silent Circle costing money - > I'm against it being closed source soft

Re: [liberationtech] Silent Circle Dangerous to Cryptography Software Development

2012-10-11 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 10/11/2012 11:24 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: >> Zimmerman stated that servers are located in Canada to avoid US >> subpoenas (not a lawyer, not sure what's that worth in the end). > > His entire IP block is connected to servers in the United States. I > am very skeptical of that claim. Furtherm

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-23 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 12/22/2012 04:49 AM, Brian Conley wrote: > That said, thus far, neither redphone nor those over listed rivals skype > or Google hangouts quality of transmission. Depends. RedPhone's audio quality is (in general) substantially better on Android than Skype's has been. Skype's desktop audio qu

[liberationtech] The Open Whisper Systems "Spring Break Of Code"

2013-01-24 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
This Spring will be the first Open Whisper Systems Spring Break Of Code, a week-long expenses-paid retreat to Maui for folks who like software development, security, and the beach. We’ve rented a large beachfront house on the west coast of Maui for everyone to stay in, and will pay for your airfar