Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-23 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I think Moxie hit the nail on the head especially with the two trends he pointed out. A team of three developers can leverage global low-latency infrastructure if they know how, while WhatsApp's entire engineering team is stuck implementing *unusually* bad crypto. NK On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-23 Thread Moxie Marlinspike
On 12/22/2012 04:49 AM, Brian Conley wrote: > That said, thus far, neither redphone nor those over listed rivals skype > or Google hangouts quality of transmission. Depends. RedPhone's audio quality is (in general) substantially better on Android than Skype's has been. Skype's desktop audio qu

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread Brian Conley
You should also include Guardian's projects: Gibberbot Ostel/ostn no? That said, thus far, neither redphone nor those over listed rivals skype or Google hangouts quality of transmission. This is not meant to detract from them, its more a question, is a revenue based model the only option to ensu

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Perhaps it would be worth an open letter? > > This sounds like a great idea. I'm sure the EFF and many others would be on board. There's no shortage of organizations that have gone hoarse warning against Skype. > All the best, > Jake >

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Christopher Soghoian: > Jake, > > The section of Skype's privacy policy that describes (with no real detail) > the assistance they provide to law enforcement agencies is exactly the same > text that was present before Microsoft bought the company. > What was it before it was sold to Ebay or what

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread Griffin Boyce
I wonder if the same team is still working on skype. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Christopher Soghoian wrote: > Unfortunately, I've not been able to learn anything from my existing > contacts at Microsoft about Skype. That part of the company seems to be > continuing their long practice of

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Skype is not only dangerous from a security by policy perspective, but is also dangerous from a security by design perspective — whereas they promise that conversations are encrypted, due to their closed-source nature this encryption cannot be studied or verified. There are certain other projects

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Christopher Soghoian
Jake, The section of Skype's privacy policy that describes (with no real detail) the assistance they provide to law enforcement agencies is exactly the same text that was present before Microsoft bought the company. (See, for example: http://web.archive.org/web/20100701074213/http://www.skype.com

Re: [liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread frank
That's helpful to have it spelled out so clearly. Thanks for posting it, Jake. Frank > Original Message > Subject: [liberationtech] Skype redux > From: Jacob Appelbaum > Date: Fri, December 21, 2012 2:49 am > To: "liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu"

[liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, In light of the recent thread on journalism, I wanted to share this link about Skype: https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2012/dec/china-listening-skype-microsoft-assumes-you-approve "With 250 million monthly connected users, Skype is one of the most popular services for making phone calls as wel