Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-26 Thread Douglas Lucas
Resurrecting an old thread here to make a point about the question, To what extent are US GOV foreign policy decision-makers monolithic or fractured? Sometimes history offers a good window into thinking about these things. For example, JFK losing control over Vietnam policy, just as he was almost

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-07 Thread Seth David Schoen
Anthony Papillion writes: It's up to us to protect ourselves and, thankfully, we have the technology to do just that. (As I suggested in a previous message, I strongly support greater use of privacy-enhancing technologies, and finding tactics to increase the demand for them.) I think it's

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-07 Thread Richard Brooks
On 06/07/2013 03:23 AM, Seth David Schoen wrote: The best widely-used tool to defend against traffic analysis is Tor, but Tor's developers readily concede that it has a lot of important limitations and that there's no obvious path around many of them. Two of these important limitations (not

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
OK, so the US government has no business, or rather no moral authority, chiding other countries about freedom of speech! On Jun 6, 2013 6:10 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Kyle Maxwell
No, it's really not - there are parts of the US gov (and VZ - I work there and I feel the same way about all this as anyone here) that oppose this type of blanket surveillance of an entire society. And if you think everyone in the government is monolithic about foreign policy, well, then there's a

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Is there an online catalog of all those technologies? This is extremely important for anyone contemplating civil disobedience actions, or even just being very vocal about stuff that is wrong with this country and others. I have the feeling that usability experts are needed to make those techs

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
When I said MONOLITHIC I wasn't referring to all departments or agencies inside government, or even less to individuals working therein, but rather to the effect. If the US government starts a war, it doesn't matter if 49.99% opposed it. It's still going on and people get killed. For those

Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Pavol Luptak
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 12:56:33PM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: If the US government starts a war, it doesn't matter if 49.99% opposed it. It's still going on and people get killed. For those people, and their circles, the US government is MONOLITHIC.