[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Mellony Burlison meljb1973@ wrote: Anarchy doesn't mean no rules, it means no rulers. Uh-huh so I've heard. Then what's the word I'm thinking of, that means

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dennis Lee Wilson was heard to say: Chaos is disorder; such as we see in governmental interference in the market economy, pogrom, genocide and wars between states. I contend that it requires a government to _create_ chaos.

[LibertarianEnterprise] Thought Crime Bill

2008-06-26 Thread Mellony Burlison
The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law,

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass zakbas@ wrote: Then what's the word I'm thinking of, that means the absence of enforced Rules? That would be Self Government, Zack. Too

[LibertarianEnterprise] Supreme Court re-defines Constitution again

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
It seems to have escaped the notice of these assholes that in 1789 many things, including Polygamy, Sodomy, Bestiality, Rape (even of an adult), Horse-Theft, and Burglary were considered by the framers of the Constitution to be properly dealt with by Capital Punishment.

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be Self Government, Zack. It is the activity that comprises 99.9% of your daily activity, i.e. that period of time when the police are not watching you. Oh, you mean the times when I am

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
And how's that working out for you in Somalia? --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we dealt with our colleagues at work in the same coercive and threatening manner by which the state insists on dealing with us, our employment would be

[LibertarianEnterprise] Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
Well, I just read the Heller decision. Once again, admitting a premise of the enemy eviscerated the significance that this lawsuit could have had. Yes -- 2nd Am is an individual right. Big whoopy do. The decision doesn't crush ANY of the rules on the books ESPEcIALLY the noxious item of

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should you come over to our home for a visit, you will not be taxed, searched, required to show a passport or driver's license, fined, jailed, threatened, handcuffed, or prohibited from leaving. I

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
No Ayn Rand was prophetic. She was the first to identify, explicitly, that granting ANY portion of a statists premise results in a backdoor for the statist to walk thru. However, I credit El Neil with possibly the best exposition of why the moral high ground should be staked out in the

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nope. What you so carefully leave out is the THREAT of punishment after the fact by a Court. That has a wonderfully chilling effect on the perps. I have seen NO EVIDENCE that there is a wonderfully

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 June 2008, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. was heard to say: No Ayn Rand was prophetic. She was the first to identify, explicitly, that granting ANY portion of a statists premise results in a backdoor for the statist to walk thru.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
El Neil formulated that one beautifully. Great quote. Thanks Curt. - Original Message - From: Curt Howland To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible -BEGIN PGP

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Eric Oppen
Quoting Curt Howland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 June 2008, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. was heard to say: What I find extraordinary if I don't need a permit for speaking why do I need a permit for carrying? Answer me that Supreme Court

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
Whose giving up. All I have pointed out is that this historic decision is mostly laughable and won't do a whole hell of a lot because it left 19998 laws on the books and ALL because the damn Heller attorney said that the licensing scheme was constitutional if not capriciously or arbitrarily

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Real ID begins in MO

2008-06-26 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen NO EVIDENCE that there is a wonderfully chilling effect on ANY perps. The Threat of being put in a Cage deters ME from lots of things. I am sure it works for others as well. In fact, I KNOW

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread goat!
Curt Howland wrote: It is moral weakness, rather than villainy, that accounts for most of the evil in the universe -- and feeble-hearted allies, far rather than your most powerful enemies, who are likeliest to do you an injury you cannot recover from. I see no reason for the from at all.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread goat!
goat! wrote: It which case wording would have been better. Ooo Ooo! I could be a Grammar Nazi! In which case your wording would have been better. I swear that is what I wrote, till it zoomed away. Goat

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread goat!
Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. wrote: The Supremes would HAVE BEEN FORCED to rule on licensing if the attorney hadn't conceded the point. He was just doing his job well. Goat

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
Quite debatable. It grants the premise of the opposition. It's the bullshit of sue on a narrow premise. The road to fascism is nothing but half-measures. So we took 1/2 step backwards towards liberty. It could have been a sprint. - Original Message - From: goat! To:

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Wraith
At 03:42 PM 6/26/2008, you wrote: --- In mailto:LibertarianEnterprise%40yahoogroups.comLibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whose giving up. All I have pointed out is that this historic decision is mostly laughable and won't do a whole

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Wraith
At 06:15 PM 6/26/2008, you wrote: Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. wrote: The Supremes would HAVE BEEN FORCED to rule on licensing if the attorney hadn't conceded the point. He was just doing his job well. Goat Keep in mind that this was a VERY split decision. If not given that out, it could

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Heller decision terrible

2008-06-26 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
Yes, true -- it's offensive that 4 supremes are closet fascists. No question the El Neil Why did it have to be guns? litmus test is operative here. Now everyone is going to bitch about how to regulate the right... never mind that a right is NOT supposed to be regulated. Hopefully someone on