Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:01:51AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: I have created a debian-sid chroot environment to avoid complaints about old libraries from the bibisect versions. For example in debian-wheezy (i.e., stable), 43all version latest complains: The alpha1 bibisect update is already

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) + ~200-300 hours projects sought + ideas appreciated! + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from the build system world: - 1/ Replace

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-21 Thread nicholas ferguson
: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) + ~200-300 hours projects sought + ideas appreciated! + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-21 Thread nicholas ferguson
...@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern Michaelsen Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:13 PM To: Robinson Tryon Cc: Libreoffice-qa; libreoffice-dev Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: + need a bugzilla query

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-21 Thread nicholas ferguson
...@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of nicholas ferguson Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:39 PM To: 'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Jan Holesovsky' Cc: 'Libreoffice-qa'; 'libreoffice-dev' Subject: RE: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 (1) A LibreOffice is not sanely built from Visual Studio. just

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/17/2014 08:29 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: - 1/ Replace all custom shell tooling (sed/grep/gawk/perl horrors) and consolidate on either native (C/C++) code (see e.g. concat-deps) or _one_ and only one consolidated solution beyond that, likely Python3 (as we are

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: ...if we also successfully abstract over the differences between GNU/cygwin and Windows of all those very little tools called from make recipes (like moving a file). Well, I dont think we want to get rid of that on Linux/OSX

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Well, I dont think we want to get rid of that on Linux/OSX where GNU coreutils is a pretty natural thing to be available there. s/GNU coreutils/POSIX utilities After all, who knows what useful extensions (irony) GNU might see fit to provide in the future, which would then be available on

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 06:54:48PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: s/GNU coreutils/POSIX utilities After all, who knows what useful extensions (irony) GNU might see fit to provide in the future, which would then be available on (GNU/)Linux only, as it isn't unlikeli that Apple wants to stay with

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Wols Lists
On 20/10/14 17:04, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: I was just hesitant to write POSIX as Im pretty sure we are using functionality beyond that (and that works because a lot of things work on BSD/OSX too that arent strictly POSIX). Restricting ourselves to POSIX purity just for the standards sake,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Restricting ourselves to POSIX purity just for the standards sake, rather than that it should work on all platforms seem like a mostly futile endevour to me. Sure; but let's say so then, it should work on all platforms, so that we can reject use of GNU coreutils features that are not present

RE: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-20 Thread nicholas ferguson
...@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of nicholas ferguson Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:39 PM To: 'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Jan Holesovsky' Cc: 'Libreoffice-qa'; 'libreoffice-dev' Subject: RE: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 (1) A LibreOffice is not sanely built from Visual Studio. just

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-19 Thread Wols Lists
On 18/10/14 03:23, nicholas ferguson wrote: I will also add...that LibreOffice's approach to a complicated build... has legs and could be marketed as a buid system for complicated apps, that are cross platform. Especially if it removes cygwin from its equation. How close is this to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) + Bjoern can do that at the time of the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) + Bjoern can do that at the time of the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/17/2014 11:13 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) + Bjoern can do that at the time of the tag, but then is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:47:30AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: Would not the best thing to do be to do bibisect builds on the release baseline, as is done for the TDF builds? That way, the builds should work on as many machines as possible. As discussed explicitly in the call: I have

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/17/2014 12:12 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Then again, as per: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Manual_setup_.28download_a_tarball.29 there are currently _no_ reports of recent build being not universal. Fine then. (I've no experience consuming those bibisect

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Terrence Enger
On Fri, 2014-10-17 at 12:12 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, Then again, as per: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Manual_setup_.28download_a_tarball.29 there are currently _no_ reports of recent build being not universal. I have created a debian-sid chroot

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) + ~200-300 hours projects sought + ideas appreciated! + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from the build system world: - 1/ Replace

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single commit (Miklos) AI + can do that (Bjoern) + we have a keyword bisected, can use that for those with exact commit + done:

RE: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread nicholas ferguson
: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) + ~200-300 hours projects sought + ideas appreciated! + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from

RE: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread nicholas ferguson
...@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern Michaelsen Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:13 PM To: Robinson Tryon Cc: Libreoffice-qa; libreoffice-dev Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: + need a bugzilla query

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Jan Holesovsky
* Present: Caolán, Jacobo, Kendy, Andras, Miklos, Cloph, Muthu, Norbert, David, Bjoern, Robinson, Thorsten, LibreBaby, Michael S., Stephan, Eike * Completed Action Items: + review https://gerrit #/c/11700/ (Andras, Caolan, Cloph etc.) + acquired magic number from Redhat

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/17/2014 11:13 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) + Bjoern can do that at the time of the tag, but then is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:47:30AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: Would not the best thing to do be to do bibisect builds on the release baseline, as is done for the TDF builds? That way, the builds should work on as many machines as possible. As discussed explicitly in the call: I have

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/17/2014 12:12 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Then again, as per: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Manual_setup_.28download_a_tarball.29 there are currently _no_ reports of recent build being not universal. Fine then. (I've no experience consuming those bibisect

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Terrence Enger
On Fri, 2014-10-17 at 12:12 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, Then again, as per: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Manual_setup_.28download_a_tarball.29 there are currently _no_ reports of recent build being not universal. I have created a debian-sid chroot

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:01:51AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: I have created a debian-sid chroot environment to avoid complaints about old libraries from the bibisect versions. For example in debian-wheezy (i.e., stable), 43all version latest complains: The alpha1 bibisect update is already

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single commit (Miklos) AI + can do that (Bjoern) + we have a keyword bisected, can use that for those with exact commit + done: