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How would you make a sort statement without a field, which must be sorted? You
only have to show this field in the query or SQL-Code. Ist must not be used to
display
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Checked today with current version LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 as well as pre-release
version pre-release 3.6.0.0 beta 3. In both cases, the same problem with table
sorting was
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Updated file showing that background color does not follow cells during sorting
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--- Comment #13 from rob...@familiegrosskopf.de 2012-07-11 08:52:00 PDT ---
I have tested this with LO 3.6.0.0 Beta 3. It's a horror: Opening of the table
last about 70 seconds, Scrolling to the last value 400 seconds. Must be a
stopper for the
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Bug #: 51976
Summary: FILEOPEN: Base is horrible slow, when opening ans
scrolling throug a table in internal HSQLDB
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version:
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Screenshot showing the difference between colors in icons and text
The text is black
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(In reply to comment #6/#7)
I did some changes on the code this winter and changed the default colours of
the buttons on request of Stefan Knorr.
The
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--- Comment #9 from Roman Eisele b...@eikota.de 2012-07-11 09:34:26 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #6)
I am able to reproduce this partly with Version 3.6.0.0.beta3 (Build ID:
3e2b862) on Linux (SLED11-SP1, x86_64, official upstream beta3 build).
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--- Comment #8 from vulc...@gmx.com 2012-07-11 09:42:57 PDT ---
No it's affect Fedora KDE too
I continue tests with other distribution
Reproduce in
*Mageia 2 x86_64 with KDE 4.8.2 LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 Version ID : 350m1(Build:2)
*Ubuntu 10.04
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--- Comment #11 from Roman Eisele b...@eikota.de 2012-07-11 09:44:29 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #10)
Since there's a task about this, I put it as a dup.
I agree, but I'm not sure if this is the correct way to proceed. Should we
(a) mark bug
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--- Comment #16 from Alex Thurgood ipla...@yahoo.co.uk 2012-07-11 09:45:04
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I have tested this with LO 3.6.0.0 Beta 3. It's a horror: Opening of the table
last about 70 seconds, Scrolling to the last value 400
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--- Comment #17 from Alex Thurgood ipla...@yahoo.co.uk 2012-07-11 09:55:42
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FWIW, confirming also on Mac OSX 10.7.4
Tested the following on LO 3.3.4 and LO 3.5.5 RC2 :
More info with 3.5.5, using the Mac
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--- Comment #10 from Winfried Donkers o...@dci-electronics.nl 2012-07-11
09:55:44 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #9)
So we have
* a big bug on MacOS X (text/higlighting color changing
almost completely broken),
* a small bug on Linux
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--- Comment #18 from Alex Thurgood ipla...@yahoo.co.uk 2012-07-11 09:56:34
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call graph generated by mac sampler
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named arrow in Visio with background
this show the text background color
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--- Comment #12 from Julien Nabet serval2...@yahoo.fr 2012-07-11 10:05:51 PDT
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Roman: you're entirely right, we must be coherent and I'm not sure now :-(
Rainer: Any idea ? Perhaps you had already answered about this but I don't
remember
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--- Comment #19 from Alex Thurgood ipla...@yahoo.co.uk 2012-07-11 10:29:46
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Hmm, preliminary analysis with Instruments.app seems to indicate that LO leaks
memory massively when trying to load the table.
Alex
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--- Comment #3 from rob...@familiegrosskopf.de 2012-07-11 10:41:15 PDT ---
Hello Lionel,
this isn't a duplicate of
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51239
With LO 3.5 you could work - its slow, but not so slow as LO 3.6 Beta 3. LO
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--- Comment #20 from rob...@familiegrosskopf.de 2012-07-11 10:52:56 PDT ---
I had reported a bug, which should show a difference between LO 3.5.* and LO
3.6 Beta 3:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51976
This bug has been marked as a
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51979
Bug #: 51979
Summary: CRASH when FILEOPEN particular .odt
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version: 3.7.0.0.alpha0+ Master
Platform: Other
OS/Version: Windows
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--- Comment #21 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com 2012-07-11
11:30:55 PDT ---
Hi Alex, the profiler report looks rather interesting (thanks so much for
trying all these tools at LibreOffice !). Having said that - its' hard for me
to
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51981
Bug #: 51981
Summary: FILEOPEN: opening libreoffice 3.5.4 database - crashes
on opening
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version: 3.5.4 release
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--- Comment #4 from othman othmanelmou...@gmail.com 2012-07-11 11:49:51 PDT
---
- I see a windows where there's a button SWT Browser but when I click on it,
nothing at all.
nothing at all means there is no SWT window shows?
the addon shows a
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--- Comment #5 from Julien Nabet serval2...@yahoo.fr 2012-07-11 11:55:00 PDT
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Yes, there's no new window when I click on this button.
Could you do this test on newer version (like 3.5.4) ? Perhaps there has been
changing on the api or
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--- Comment #2 from Faisal Menawer fmalota...@kacst.edu.sa 2012-07-11
12:02:25 PDT ---
Created attachment 64105
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proposed patch
i fix the problem.
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--- Comment #2 from Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu 2012-07-11 13:01:18
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Cannot reproduce on branch features/base-preview, which means it is fixed in
3.5.6, or maybe only 3.6.0.
My guess is that is fixed far earlier, though.
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Created attachment 64106
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MS Word 2010 (Starter) colour selectors
Just adding to comment 8 here:
Yes, what
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--- Comment #4 from Ulf Zibis ulf.zi...@gmx.de 2012-07-11 13:47:01 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #3)
How would you make a sort statement without a field, which must be sorted?
Yes, you can't, but one could have a data source with no ordering
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--- Comment #2 from J.D. jgallawa...@fccorp.us 2012-07-11 13:50:49 PDT ---
Created attachment 64109
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Original PNG file that doesn't render correctly in Writer.
This picture is one of
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--- Comment #6 from Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu 2012-07-11 14:00:10
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You should try to open your file with LO 3.5.3 rc2. There an image and some
text that are not visible in the pdf.
The rendering is
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AFAIK, situation has not changed in LibO 3.5 or even LibO 3.6
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--- Comment #2 from Roman Eisele b...@eikota.de 2012-07-11 14:19:10 PDT ---
Created attachment 64111
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Another test kit, confirming that the bug is reproducible with Writer on
Windows
This
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Bug #: 51984
Summary: [EDITING] Paste spacial as a link from Calc to Impress
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version: 3.5.4 release
Platform: All
OS/Version:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51986
Bug #: 51986
Summary: FILESAVE: error saving the document
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version: 3.5.5.3 release
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
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--- Comment #8 from jo...@trash-mail.com 2012-07-11 15:19:51 PDT ---
I have the same problem in LibreOffice 3.5.5
OS: Win7
Firewall: ZoneAlarm
LibreOffice Help installed
This is my first approach to LibreOffice. Offline Help is really important
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--- Comment #3 from Roman Eisele b...@eikota.de 2012-07-11 15:36:14 PDT ---
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Calc test kit
And this bug is not limited to PDF export from Writer -- it is also
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--- Comment #9 from Alex Leonard alexleonard2...@gmail.com 2012-07-11
15:36:23 PDT ---
Woops. I think I was meant to reply to this a long time ago.
I'm on a new desktop install (Win7 Pro, LO2.5.4.2 Build ID:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51987
Bug #: 51987
Summary: FILEOPEN: dialog ignores typed directory name without
Enter
Classification: Unclassified
Product: LibreOffice
Version: unspecified
Platform:
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--- Comment #10 from Terrence Enger lo_b...@iseries-guru.com 2012-07-11
16:47:47 PDT ---
Created attachment 64119
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screenshot, different result but still wrong
( Yes, I know that this bug
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51666
--- Comment #2 from Pincus Weitzman spweitz...@gmail.com 2012-07-11 16:47:55
PDT ---
Dear Valek:
I shall try to be as detailed as I can.
My spreadsheet worksheet was designed when I was using Open Office.
It has solid vertical lines dividing
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--- Comment #4 from Astron heinzless...@gmail.com 2012-07-11 16:56:04 PDT ---
Hi Roman,
actually, it should be easy for you to help, as all you need to do is edit a
configuration file. See here on how to do it on Mac OS:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48681
--- Comment #4 from l...@ptoye.com 2012-07-11 16:56:29 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #1)
Could be a problem with Java and LO 3.5. In your form are listfields. The
listfields aren't shown - only the values that were in the table. When you
click
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--- Comment #6 from Erich er...@libreofficebox.org 2012-07-11 17:04:21 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #2)
I did not mean a magical URL that always redirects to the newest available
version, but a stable URL for each available version including
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--- Comment #3 from Stephan Bergmann sberg...@redhat.com 2012-07-11 17:15:49
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Stephan Bergmann committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:
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--- Comment #6 from othman othmanelmou...@gmail.com 2012-07-11 17:38:03 PDT
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what is the latest LO version?
i'll try later with latest LO version..but i can only install it from opensuse
Yast2 and i don't know which LO yast does propose..i
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--- Comment #5 from rob...@familiegrosskopf.de 2012-07-11 17:44:38 PDT ---
Created attachment 64121
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Corrected database - problems with macros inside
Opening the original database the
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--- Comment #7 from l...@ptoye.com 2012-07-11 18:00:44 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #5)
Created attachment 64121 [details]
Corrected database - problems with macros inside
Opening the original database the macro-warning appears. Disabling
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--- Comment #8 from l...@ptoye.com 2012-07-11 18:02:13 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #6)
Macro in the database seems to be corrupt. Without macro it works. So I set
the
Status to Resolved and Notourbug.
When you say it works without the
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