Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Libreoffice-qa Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1

2023-08-09 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hello, On 2023-08-08 09:41, Colomban Wendling wrote: So I think I could work on tests with Ilmari and with you. That's great!  Sure, I'll help as much as I can :)  I'll also be off in August, but back around the second week of September, so that aligns well :) Note that I don't work on LO on

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New tests: GTK3 platform accessibility

2023-08-03 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 2023-08-01 19:30, Colomban Wendling wrote: Platform accessibility (a11y) conformance tests for the GTK3 VCL [1] have been merged a couple days ago.  This is a set of tests validating that the a11y exposed to the platform on Linux using the GTK3 VCL is coherent with the internal representatio

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Retiring MAB metas

2023-01-26 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 26/01/2023 16.49, Stéphane Guillou wrote: We currently have 3 metas that use our deprecated, subjective concept of "most annoying bugs": * [META] Windows Installer Most Annoying Bugs - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41884 * [META] Report Builder most annoying bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26 [IAccessible2 support in JAWS]

2022-06-09 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Marco, all, On 09/06/2022 09.39, Marco Zehe wrote: AFAIK, QT exposes accessibility information to UIA on Windows. They switched over from an MSAA implementation to UIA some time in the QT5 time frame: https://www.qt.io/blog/2018/02/20/qt-5-11-brings-new-accessibility-backend-windows. In

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26 [IAccessible2 support in JAWS]

2022-06-09 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Marco, On 08/06/2022 13.09, Marco Zehe wrote: JAWS does support IAccessible2, but only if it needs to, like in Firefox, and some parts of Chromium-based browsers. However, with the UI Automation implementation for the latter becoming stronger, there might be a time when JAWS moves to UIA

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26 [IAccessible2 support in JAWS]

2022-06-07 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Christophe, On 07/06/2022 12.14, Christophe Strobbe wrote: After some online searching, it seems that JAWS at least used to support IAccessible2, originally mainly for IBM Lotus Symphony. According to a tweet by Marco Zehe from December last year, JAWS handles Chromium and Edge via IAcces

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-06-07 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 31/05/2022 16.24, Christophe Strobbe wrote: I don't have a comprehensive overview of LibreOffice UI accessibility either, unfortunately. However, if you are looking for ways to prioritise issues, one way may be based on the accessibility requirements in the ETSI standard EN 301 549, which def

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-06-07 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 31/05/2022 12.36, Caolán McNamara wrote: If the overview is there are a thousand little things and not a small set of large scale specific projects then that's still a useful overview. We could still sweep them into some general themes. Indeed. Thanks for adding the subtopics that came up du

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-06-07 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 31/05/2022 12.01, Colomban Wendling wrote: * Only on-screen elements of the document are exposed to ATs.  This is on purpose probably for performance (not sure if we have any numbers to base it on?) so elements are lazy-loaded and destroyed, but it has non-trivial impact on various AT feat

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-05-30 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 30/05/2022 11.08, Caolán McNamara wrote: For a11y I don't know what is seen as the major problems, is there some fundamentally missing pieces (like in the past not having direct windows IAccessible2 support and needing a java access bridge). Or are the fundamentals ok and its a matter of a gen

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-05-29 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 29/05/2022 20.40, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Sun, 2022-05-29 at 07:35 +, Michael Weghorn wrote: Does it make sense to add the topics already mentioned on board- discuss in the discussion around TDF-internal developers? ... * RTL/CTL: meta bug tdf#43808 * CJK: meta bug tdf#83066 * a11y

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

2022-05-29 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 26/05/2022 16.41, Miklos Vajna wrote: * Completed Action Items: [...]     + under-loved areas wiki page (Miklos):   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Under-loved_areas [...] * Under-loved areas of the codebase (Michael M)     + concern that we can't execute quickly on th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting agenda - Adding topic: Broken release process when fresh become still and when still become EOL'ed

2021-01-29 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 28/01/2021 22.03, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote: LO is regression plagued product. Yup. But honestly with the available resources, I don't see this changing in any time-frame, I can imagine. One IMHO main problem is, that we mainly have regression unit tests. So every change is almost guara

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting agenda - Adding topic: Broken release process when fresh become still and when still become EOL'ed

2021-01-28 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 27/01/2021 18.22, William Gathoye (LibreOffice) wrote: I would like the ESC take action on a pending topic that is annoying a bunch of users and that I have been constantly reporting for **3 years now**[0]: desynchronization between the website and the TDF update service. [...] I'll be th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA-session @ LibOCon ??

2015-09-07 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Cor, all, On 2015-09-01, 01:47, Cor Nouws wrote: > I was thinking about a session at the conference where people involved > in QA meet and exchange experiences and possible ideas. > > Others that would like to join? That sounds good and I would like to join as well in case this session takes