Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-08 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 03/10/13 14:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: > Jacobo Aragunde Pérez píše v Čt 03. 10. 2013 v 10:24 +0200: >> ... >> 2. Immutable shapes can be saved to docx with no data loss, but they are >> transformed to a shape group when saved to odt and this process >> introduces some errors. >> ... > Regardi

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-03 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jacobo, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez píše v Čt 03. 10. 2013 v 10:24 +0200: > Extracting some conclusions from the feedback in this thread, probably > the most reasonable path having mid-term in mind would be: > > 1. SmartArt should be imported in an immutable way by default, > preserving the origina

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-03 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 16:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: > ... > > Just so that this does not lead to confusion - SmartArt being a real > group shape is a relatively recent fix: > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=59373b753902f69cd44d183568b084429322e7ab > > In the previous versions it h

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 17:01 +0200: > The problem is that there's no indication that you lose data with > Ungroup. (In general, the only data I would expect to lose by using > Ungroup is group-related metadata.) There would be indication, but only ex-post; I hope that is st

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Kendy, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Hi Jacobo, Miklos, > > Miklos Vajna píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 14:44 +0200: > > > > With the current one, a user can change the shapes > > > but those changes won't be exported back to docx and that's confusing. > > > > Indeed. Read

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Miklos, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Miklos Vajna wrote: > Hi Jacobo, > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez < > jaragu...@igalia.com> wrote: > > In my opinion, the default behaviour should be SmartArt becoming > > immutable on import. > > That would be a regres

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jacobo, Miklos, Miklos Vajna píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 14:44 +0200: > > With the current one, a user can change the shapes > > but those changes won't be exported back to docx and that's confusing. > > Indeed. Read the original rationale here: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreof

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Miklos Vajna
Hi Jacobo, On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: > In my opinion, the default behaviour should be SmartArt becoming > immutable on import. That would be a regression, I'm afraid, since by default ATM you can do that. > With the current one, a user can change th

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is > now (SmartArt editable). > If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to > make it editable. > I'd much rather for non-editable SmartAr

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is now (SmartArt editable). If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to make it editable. Mirek, what do you think? Am 02.10.2013 11:35, schrieb Jacobo Aragunde Pérez: Everything is possible, i

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 08:09, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió: > Hi Jacobo, > > good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options > dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think > it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) > > I have anothe

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 09:58, Miklos Vajna escribió: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 01:59:14AM +0300, Andres Gomez > wrote: >> Actually, I've been reading in LibO's Help which is the purpose of the >> options under "Options -> Load/Save -> MS Office" and they seem to be >> really attached to OLE importing/export

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Miklos Vajna
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 01:59:14AM +0300, Andres Gomez wrote: > Actually, I've been reading in LibO's Help which is the purpose of the > options under "Options -> Load/Save -> MS Office" and they seem to be > really attached to OLE importing/exporting. Seeing that SmartArt also has this "native

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi guys, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > Hi Jacobo, > > good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options > dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think > it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before)

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) I have another suggestion: You could disable editing SmartArt by defaul

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Andres Gomez
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 17:49 +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: ... > That takes us to the next step: we want to make imported SmartArt > immutable, so users are aware that they can change the document but not > the shapes. We would like to add a configuration setting to enable or > disable th

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Andres Gomez
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 17:49 +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: ... > That takes us to the next step: we want to make imported SmartArt > immutable, so users are aware that they can change the document but not > the shapes. We would like to add a configuration setting to enable or > disable th

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
Hi :) Lately we have been working on SmartArt support on Writer. As you know, in 4.1 and prior the SmartArt figures were imported to LO shapes but they weren't exported back when saving to docx, causing data loss. Our first approach, which is already pushed to master, was saving the full SmartArt