Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-29 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Pedro, Le 19/09/2013 12:02, Pedro a écrit : To be honest the Microsoft approach is much more efficient: when you press the Bold button, the Style is automatically changed to Normal+Bold which allows you to modify the Style for all Bold word at a later stage... Didn't know that. My latest

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-29 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi, Le 18/09/2013 18:38, dollyp a écrit : I think that it is too simplistic to just think that styles are the answer to everything. Well, no. What's simplistic is to think a computer is a glorified typewriter. Unfortunately for the masses and for more than 20 years, *all* software

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-29 Thread Pedro
Hi Jean-François Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote This is interesting, indeed. But I see a problem here: the automatic setting (the bad word is automatic). This won't make styles apparent to users and you may end with users changing bold to italics by hand, just because they miss the style

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-27 Thread Pedro
mariosv wrote There you can create a new style based on the current format, and the type of style depends on what type you have selected: paragraph, character or page. But that is not the same. First, you need to *manually* create the new style (and give it a name) while what MS Word does is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-26 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Pedro, Pedro wrote (18-09-13 18:45) Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? Because the direct format button are in your face and changing a style requires clicking 1) left click the Style name (assuming the Style bar is showing and that the user knows how to

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-26 Thread Cor Nouws
Pedro wrote (19-09-13 12:02) To be honest the Microsoft approach is much more efficient: when you press the Bold button, the Style is automatically changed to Normal+Bold which allows you to modify the Style for all Bold word at a later stage... Distadvantage IMO it that it makes the concept,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-26 Thread mariosv
Pedro, look for yellow mark at right. There you can create a new style based on the current format, and the type of style depends on what type you have selected: paragraph, character or page. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-19 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Jean, On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net wrote: Hi Mirek, Le 18/09/2013 23:15, Mirek M. a écrit : Keep in mind that I encourage use of hard formatting for things like bold/italicize. OMG ! /o\ If someone from the dev

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-19 Thread Pedro
Hi Jean-Francois Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply throughout the document, whereas a local format is, well, local. IOW, changing a style is worth the few extra clicks, if any and setting direct formatting is actually requiring

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) snip Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? thanks, Cor -- - Cor Nouws -

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Pedro
Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? Because the direct format button are in your face and changing

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread dollyp
Cor Nouws wrote dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) snip Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? thanks, Cor Hi Cor I'm

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 18/09/2013 18:45, Pedro a écrit : To do the same with Styles you need to select the Paragraph and at least 5 mouse clicks (assuming you know where Styles are) ;) Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply throughout the document, whereas a local format is, well,