Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-20 Thread Daniel Mania
Michael are you seriously trying to say that you think that the current border UI ... is clean or intuitive for the user and we shouldn't think about improving that ? No sorry, that should be changed. And I agree that it is a good idea to make things look similar to MSO, _if_ it has to be

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-19 Thread Cedric Bosdonnat
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 17:44 +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: I propose to simplify this and limit the values to HAIRLINE, THIN, MEDIUM and THICK with sensible values and map the old values to them. This should not be such a big problem because until 3.6 at least the UI behaved in a similar way

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-19 Thread Daniel Mania
Hei hei! Why do we need to keep being compatible with Microsoft Office at all? 1) Users who switch from Microsoft Office do that for a reason and they should expect some differences! 2) Document compatibility is a great idea, but until Microsoft Office import works well enough, there is no

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-19 Thread Michael Stahl
On 19/11/12 10:32, Daniel Mania wrote: Hei hei! Why do we need to keep being compatible with Microsoft Office at all? 1) Users who switch from Microsoft Office do that for a reason and they should expect some differences! 2) Document compatibility is a great idea, but until Microsoft

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-18 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey, currently we have a large set of problems around borders that are to a big deal caused by our too complex border behavior. In several bugs I already mentioned that IMHO the only sane solution is to limit the border width to maybe 3 or 4 different values that we can both control in the view

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] simplifying the border width settings

2012-11-18 Thread Michael Stahl
On 18/11/12 12:52, Markus Mohrhard wrote: Hey, currently we have a large set of problems around borders that are to a big deal caused by our too complex border behavior. In several bugs I already mentioned that IMHO the only sane solution is to limit the border width to maybe 3 or 4