On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 05:21:49PM -0400, Assaf Gordon wrote: > Hello, > > (joining late to the discussion, adding few tidbits) > > 1. > Regarding "outdated" posts: > It might surprise you (it definitely surprised me) that some of these posts > you consider "outdated" are not outdated at all. They are old, that's true - > but not outdated. > In fact, I personally contacted many submitters, and many of them insisted > that their posts remain as-is, even if they have been unchanged for years. > Many also refused to update or refresh their posts. > > You can read a bit more about our attempts here: > sr #106581: doing something about stale jobs? > https://savannah.gnu.org/support/?106581 >
When I went through the list e-mailing project maintainers I got 0 responses. This is just anecdotal evidence, but it is what I experienced. > 2. > Regarding "automated removal": > At the time of the discussion (see link above), automatic removal was frowned > upon. > There was a suggestion to manually contact posters and ask if the post is > still > relevant, and if so update it. > From my humble experience with administrating savannah - I *highly* recommend > against > anything that requires manual work. > If you do implement a new "help wanted" website - have an automated way to > expire posts. > Of course, you might want to have a more sophisticated mechanism > to send email alerts about coming expirations, etc. - but that's > more complicated to implement. > Anything that requires manual work (and requires volunteers' time) will > quickly > become a chore. > I highly agree with you on this one, it would also reassure us that the posts are up-to-date. I'd say that rather than an 'automatic removal' it should be a 'renewal process', allowing users to renew their notices. Making it automatic would be ideal, I am unsure of how difficult this would be to implement (I don't think it would be much more difficult than validation e-mails for registrations). > 3. > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 01:38:49PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> Also the > >> Savane web interface has been suffering from a lack of volunteers for > >> updates for some time. Therefore I can see the attraction of setting > >> up an independent site for this information. > > On one hand, if there are volunteers out there that want to > improve the "help wanted" pages - why not hack directly on the savannah > interface? > we always welcome more hackers, and the best place to start is here: > https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/RunningSavaneLocally/ > https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/SavannahHackingIdeas/ > > On the other hand, starting from scratch is usually more fun > (and you won't be bound by FSF policies). > The 'old looking' site is not something I really have issues with. I typically dislike websites that take forever to load because of tons of JS and complex markdown/styling. I have no complaints about that. What's more, as websites get more complex they tend to become more incompatible with my privacy settings. I believe that if the Savane 'Help Wanted' section can easily be extracted from Savane itself, then it would make much more sense to use the Savane infrastructure (although perhaps with a fork depending on how much we wish to change). > > Practically speaking, how easy would it be to extract just the 'help > > wanted' section of Savane and modify it to have the improvements I > > mentioned earlier (ie. expiring posts and such)? > > If you want a database-dump of the relevant tables - that's easy. > Contact write to us at savannah-hackers-pub...@gnu.org and we > can find a way to make it work. > > When you write "modify it" - do you mean the PHP code? > The links above are the best place to start to hack on the PHP code. > > Alternatively, > There's also an attempt to write python/flask code to view the savannah > database - eventually it'll include the "help wanted" pages as well: > https://varanusex.housegordon.org > I see, I'll look into this then. However I am not very good at anything web dev. > Lastly (and this is only my personal opinion and is not necessarily > shared with other savannah hackers or FSF): > I'm fully supportive of moving savannah's "Help Wanted" section elsewhere, > and removing it from savannah. > Thanks for your support :) -- Nicolás Ortega Froysa (Deathsbreed) https://themusicinnoise.net/ http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/ Public PGP Key: https://themusicinnoise.net/deathsbreed@themusicinnoise.net_pub.asc http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/deathsbreed@themusicinnoise.net_pub.asc
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