Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I think you are disagreeing about some esoteric point -- I can't tell what the point

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
Em 01/10/2020 02:03, Jean Louis escreveu: > There may be some misunderstandings, what is in your opinion "social > network"? I meant digital social network with no real-time presence notification. > network. In any global communication one cannot expect immediate > responses. I agree. By using

GPL software clearly improving over years on Github

2020-10-01 Thread Jean Louis
* Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 17:10]: > > > On 10/1/20 2:21 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > > * Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 12:06]: > > > > GPL program may be used for crime, smuggling, nuclear missiles, drug > > > > sales, and other destructive actions. But that is still a feature of > > > > free

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
Once again, it is important to remember that if you want to use Matrix in a free and privacy friendly way, it is not recommended to use New Vector clients, such as Riot/Element for example, because some of them contain non-free code (here Electron) and encourage the use of non-free / privacy

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Jean Louis
* al3xu5 / dotcommon [2020-10-01 21:23]: > Better to stay on the general level of the subject of the > thread, which is the (alleged) decline of copyleft and free software in > general. Well, said, easily alleged, hardly proven. > In my opinion this is an important subject to be discussed, but

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Jean Louis
* Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 12:09]: > That sounds very priviledged to me. > > Today people are losing access to their software and they lose access to > banking, democracy, free speech among others. > > 20 years ago it may have been sharing. Today though Free Software is about > equality,

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
I do would like to note that the solution I gave might not be intended to private conversations. XMPP is *way* better for that, but it's not a social network, but a chat instead. I love using XMPP for most of my small groups, but it may not always suit if you have many topics happening, etc.

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Jean Louis
* Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 12:06]: > > GPL program may be used for crime, smuggling, nuclear missiles, drug > > sales, and other destructive actions. But that is still a feature of > > free software, and not disadvantage. You may use it for whatever > > purpose you wish, that includes

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Jean Louis
* Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) [2020-10-01 04:29]: >+1 for XMPP ! > >Using Conversations >([1]https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Conversations.im) for example, you >can replace Messenger-like or WhatsApp-like groups, and with Double >Ratchet encryption be really safe and

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Matt Ivie
On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 11:05 +0200, Marinus Savoritias wrote: > Depends how you look at it. Being able to use GPL for purposes of > war > gives freedom to the privileged people who do the war. But what > about > the people who are actually being attacked? Do they have Freedom > with > your

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Hi and sorry if I'm intruding... just for some general thoughts... Thu, 1 Oct 2020 16:09:47 +0200 - Marinus Savoritias : > On 10/1/20 2:21 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > > * Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 > > 12:06]: > >>> GPL program may be used for crime, smuggling, nuclear missiles, drug > >>>

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
Did I mention Element anywhere? Don't put words in my mouth. Second I never said to host it on Vector Did I? Again adding words in my mouth. Third. You can self host which is pretty easy with freedombox. As easy as XMPP. And also you can set up an account somewhere and then access it only

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
On 10/1/20 2:21 PM, Jean Louis wrote: * Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 12:06]: GPL program may be used for crime, smuggling, nuclear missiles, drug sales, and other destructive actions. But that is still a feature of free software, and not disadvantage. You may use it for whatever purpose

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
On 10/1/20 2:27 PM, Jean Louis wrote: * Marinus Savoritias [2020-10-01 12:09]: That sounds very priviledged to me. Today people are losing access to their software and they lose access to banking, democracy, free speech among others. 20 years ago it may have been sharing. Today though Free

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Ali Reza Hayati
What you say is not about whether free software is about justice or not. As I mentioned before, software freedom is a matter of justice. Just read my previous email and check the sources on FSF and GNU websites. On October 1, 2020 12:27:50 PM UTC, Jean Louis wrote: >* Marinus Savoritias

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
That sounds very priviledged to me. Today people are losing access to their software and they lose access to banking, democracy, free speech among others. 20 years ago it may have been sharing. Today though Free Software is about equality, democracy, economic independence among just a few.

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
On 9/28/20 6:33 AM, Jean Louis wrote: * Pen-Yuan Hsing [2020-09-28 05:48]: I cannot see there possible violation of the GPL. You can use R and make R programs which are proprietary. You can have bash shell and have shell scripts which are proprietary. You can have proprietary program

Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

2020-10-01 Thread Marinus Savoritias
There is also matrix which does have communities and rooms. I think its more accustomed to what you would need than XMPP. And there are many clients including an emacs one and a terminal one. https://matrix.org/clients/ https://github.com/alphapapa/matrix-client.el Hosting can be a little