On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 17:31:29 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> As much as that is what Richard says, it downplays the significance of
> the AGPL. Because the AGPL requires that the source match the running
> version on the server, it goes beyond just providing the features for
> others to use. AGPL pr
On 10/25/2015 12:36 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 21:21:08 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> On 10/24/2015 09:05 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> Given two worlds, one where proprietary software has no maliciousness
>> and one where it has egregious maliciousness, I can't imagine anyone
>
On 10/25/2015 12:41 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 14:07:21 +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
>> On 25/10/15 04:52, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>> Software freedom as a value is about autonomy and independence and
>>> creative freedoms and other values that still *exist* as concerns
>>>
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 22:48:31 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> Have I given up control of my email client since I can't modify it while
> it runs? Have I given up control of my LaTeX papers, because I can't
> force everyone else to use LaTeX?
These examples don't relate to the issue of SaaSS.
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 14:07:21 +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> On 25/10/15 04:52, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> Software freedom as a value is about autonomy and independence and
>> creative freedoms and other values that still *exist* as concerns
>> even in cases without maliciousness.
> And AGPL is o
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 21:21:08 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> On 10/24/2015 09:05 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> Given two worlds, one where proprietary software has no maliciousness
> and one where it has egregious maliciousness, I can't imagine anyone
> saying that the importance of software freedom is
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On 25/10/15 04:52, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> Software freedom as a value is about autonomy and independence and
> creative freedoms and other values that still *exist* as concerns
> even in cases without maliciousness.
And AGPL is one of the things that
On 10/24/2015 09:05 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 20:52:58 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> In a fantasy world where everyone were ethical enough to never engage in
>> malicious abuses of power, the concerns about software freedom would
>> still exist, they would just be much less
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 20:52:58 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> In a fantasy world where everyone were ethical enough to never engage in
> malicious abuses of power, the concerns about software freedom would
> still exist, they would just be much less important. Similarly the
> concerns about SaaSS.
Y
On 10/24/2015 01:48 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> On 24/10/15 21:44, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> So you have still given up your control. You can only do the type
>> of computing that others say you can do, and if you try to say, "I
>> have an idea; let's do it this way!", then unless everyone el
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On 24/10/15 21:44, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> So you have still given up your control. You can only do the type
> of computing that others say you can do, and if you try to say, "I
> have an idea; let's do it this way!", then unless everyone else
> ag
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 21:05:20 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> For what it's worth I find your argument unconvincing anyway, as you
> have the chicken and egg problem with compilers, and almost everyone
> is using non-free non-documented hardware. And even free hardware with
> free documentati
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On 24/10/15 20:42, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> I think that you might be talking about the risk of tricking users
> by obfuscating or writing intentionally deceptive code
I'm not.
> [SaaSS is...]
I know what SaaSS is.
> By using SaaSS, you relinquish al
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 13:33:58 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> I firmly believe we can, at least theoretically, reduce the risk so
> far that the only hazard for the user is the service shutting down.
> *Everything* else can be solved. We just need some time. And some
> dependent types as firs
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