Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/23/2016 02:53 AM, gmail gregor wrote: > Thank you for the answer. > > If i got it right, the gist of snowdrift is looking forward, thus > changing the whole culture (hopefully/eventually) into sharing and > giving one. > > Also, the term ransom is new to me (wich goes to show i am not reall

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-23 Thread gmail gregor
Thank you for the answer. If i got it right, the gist of snowdrift is looking forward, thus changing the whole culture (hopefully/eventually) into sharing and giving one. Also, the term ransom is new to me (wich goes to show i am not really all too informed). Still, was not referring so much to

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-22 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/22/2016 02:36 PM, Fabio Pesari wrote: > On 02/21/2016 06:31 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> >> BountySource is never going to be a broad solution. There have literally >> been *dozens* of completely operating versions of bounty sites tried >> over the past 15 years. It is literally the first thing a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-22 Thread Fabio Pesari
On 02/21/2016 06:31 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > BountySource is never going to be a broad solution. There have literally > been *dozens* of completely operating versions of bounty sites tried > over the past 15 years. It is literally the first thing almost everyone > thinks about when they decide the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-21 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/21/2016 08:19 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: > On 02/19/2016 06:36 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> >> Just come help us with the existing effort! >> >> I and a few dozen other people have already been working hard for a long >> time (and making great progress lately) on creating an entire holistic >> platf

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-21 Thread Andrés Muñiz Piniella
El 21 de febrero de 2016 16:19:21 GMT+00:00, Fabio Pesari escribió: >On 02/19/2016 06:36 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> >> Just come help us with the existing effort! >> >> I and a few dozen other people have already been working hard for a >long >> time (and making great progress lately) on creating

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-21 Thread Fabio Pesari
On 02/19/2016 06:36 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > Just come help us with the existing effort! > > I and a few dozen other people have already been working hard for a long > time (and making great progress lately) on creating an entire holistic > platform to address all these issues. Please come join u

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/20/2016 02:31 AM, gmail gregor wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > umm, firstly - i've been following libreplanet discussion group for a > couple of years. Because i find the problematic it covers interesting > (obviously). Still, this is my first letter. > > Just quickly went over snowdrift.coop and le

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-20 Thread gmail gregor
Hi Aaron, umm, firstly - i've been following libreplanet discussion group for a couple of years. Because i find the problematic it covers interesting (obviously). Still, this is my first letter. Just quickly went over snowdrift.coop and let me join in thanking you for the effort. Also for many po

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/19/2016 09:56 AM, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > Thanks for the link to snowdrift.coop! I have always wondered about how > modern free (as in freedom) software projects can find a sustainable > source of funding, I think free software advocates need to seriously > tackle this issue, a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Pen-Yuan Hsing
Hi Aaron, Thanks for the link to snowdrift.coop! I have always wondered about how modern free (as in freedom) software projects can find a sustainable source of funding, I think free software advocates need to seriously tackle this issue, and looks like lots of thought went into your project'

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/19/2016 06:42 AM, Fabio Pesari wrote: > Alice wants to build X, and Bob wants to fund Alice's effort. X is to be > released under a free license. > > There's a problem, though: Bob doesn't want to pay in advance, because > he's afraid Alice will not deliver X as promised. In a typical > crow

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
Since there are more funders than developers shouldn't you favour developers instead? One of the core ideas of crowdfunding is that people would be more willing to accept risk because they only fund a small amount in conjunction with a lot of other funders. Alice still receives a large amount of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Fabio Pesari
On 02/19/2016 04:41 PM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > Since there are more funders than developers shouldn't you favour > developers instead? Developers can rip off funders but funders can't rip off developers (i.e. do a chargeback) with an escrow, so developers are favored already. You can even the s

[libreplanet-discuss] Solving the prisoner's dilemma in crowdfunding

2016-02-19 Thread Fabio Pesari
Alice wants to build X, and Bob wants to fund Alice's effort. X is to be released under a free license. There's a problem, though: Bob doesn't want to pay in advance, because he's afraid Alice will not deliver X as promised. In a typical crowdfunding scenario, there are hundreds of Bobs, so this i