Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Chromium is blacklisted in Parabola: https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Blacklist "chromium::(1) Copyright or license of some code is unclear (2) Links to proprietary plugins." Em Sáb, 2012-11-10 às 10:15 -0500, Michael Mehrazar escreveu: > On 11/10/2012 09:54 AM, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > > Actual

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Maybe free software can assure them that if anything suspicious shows up in this scrutiny they can do something about it, and if it's a widely used project someone else will probably do something about it. Helpful if they are already using it. So, open source helps them avoid a bad situation or de

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 22:05 +0530, Yogesh Girikumar wrote: > On 11 November 2012 18:28, Bob Ham wrote: > > The value of free software is in the freedom it brings, not necessarily > > in the software itself. Freedom always has, and always will be the > > biggest "selling point" of free software. >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Le 11/11/2012 13:14, Joel Kahn a écrit : My two cents FWIW For Libre Software to really move towards broad success, I think two elements are needed: 1. Some "killer application/environment" (very broadly defined) has to emerge from Libre Software that is not only extremely useful and easy t

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On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 04:14 -0800, Joel Kahn wrote: > For Libre Software to really move towards broad > success, I think two elements are needed: > > 1. Some "killer application/environment" The value of free software is in the freedom it brings, not necessarily in the software itself. Freedom

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My two cents FWIW For Libre Software to really move towards broad success, I think two elements are needed: 1. Some "killer application/environment" (very broadly defined) has to emerge from Libre Software that is not only extremely useful and easy to use, but which also is something that cou

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On 10/11/12 11:12, David Steinhafel wrote: > I suppose I intended my questions to be rhetorical, but I am interested to > what degree free software advocates think gaming software is important in > the liberation of computer users from tyrannical, over-bearing software. Imo in a great degree: Gam

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Le 11/11/2012 10:40, Michał 'rysiek' Woźniak a écrit : Dnia niedziela, 11 listopada 2012 o 08:52:08 Alexey Eromenko napisał(a): On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, David Steinhafel wrote: It seems most responders on the list are somewhat

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Dnia niedziela, 11 listopada 2012 o 08:52:08 Alexey Eromenko napisał(a): > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, David Steinhafel > > > > > > wrote: > >> It seems most responders on the list are somewhat supportive of > >> Steam on GNU/Linux

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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, David Steinhafel > wrote: >> >> It seems most responders on the list are somewhat supportive of Steam on >> GNU/Linux because it may help increase exposure to GNU/Linux and Free >> Software. > > > I did not g

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On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, David Steinhafel wrote: > It seems most responders on the list are somewhat supportive of Steam on > GNU/Linux because it may help increase exposure to GNU/Linux and Free > Software. I did not get that impression at all. I saw people raising concerns (especially

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Hey Chris, All are creative commons licensed - it's required to enter, it's just a matter of which creative commons license it is. That includes assets and code. However, a substantial proportion of them depend on publicly available proprietary software. All dependencies that are not publicly avai

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Hey Bianca, Global Game Jam looks like a great resource. Is there any way to find out which of the games are Creative Commons licensed and which are not? Cheers, *Chris Sakkas **Admin of the FOSsil Bank wiki and the Living Libre blog

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On Nov 11, 2012 2:49 PM, "Harry Prevor" wrote: > I wouldn't say that people like Steam because of it's "mild" DRM. I really believe people like Steam because of the sheer > number of games it holds and the frequency at which they come out; > something that will be tough to beat with a free so

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I agree with you (for the most part) up until here: On 11/10/12, Bianca Gibson wrote: > As for why steam is considered good: > Gamers hate DRM. They like playing games, DRM makes it hard. Restrictions > on steam aren't so much considered good as less bad. You can play it on as > many computers as

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Years of archives of some good (though small) creative commons licensed games can be found at http://globalgamejam.org/. My own is at http://archive.globalgamejam.org/2012/whirlstrom. Although AAA games have huge budgets, they are often managed extremely poorly and have high staff turnover. Someon

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

It seems most responders on the list are somewhat supportive of Steam on GNU/Linux because it may help increase exposure to GNU/Linux and Free Software. I can't say I disagree, although I'm disappointed at the willingness of users to install proprietary software on their GNU/Linux systems. But how

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On 11/10/2012 09:54 AM, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > Actually Google Chrome has an offspring, a Free Software version called > Chromium browser. > > It has few differences vs > Chrome : no flash, no built in PDF reader, and no auto-updates, but it > works great on my Debian machines. > Chromium is gre

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This then prevented me from ever turning to > "easier and more efficient browsers", (e.g. Google Chrome), because I > recognized that Firefox status as free software what was most important. > Actually Google Chrome has an offspring, a Free Software version called Chromium browser. It has few dif

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I see a lot of discussion about the lack of AAA Free Software titles and how to fund game development but nothing about the actual problem. Steam itself. AAA free titles aren't going to happen and they aren't needed. Indie developers rule the gaming world these days. It's these guys that need court

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Jason Self wrote: > Quiliro Ordóñez said: > >> The only way to make a change is that the people that want to make >> the effort of change concentrate on making the free-way as easy. >> This will bring in even more "change making" people. > > I don't know. If someone adopts free software just be

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

On 9 November 2012 15:03, Steven Hamilton wrote: > What should we do currently? One thing that comes to my mind is to try and convince (stupid, I know :) game companies to open-up the source code for old games that have gone out of trend (which happens fast to most games). Something like tom-cla

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Quiliro Ordóñez said: > The only way to make a change is that the people that want to make > the effort of change concentrate on making the free-way as easy. > This will bring in even more "change making" people. I don't know. If someone adopts free software just because it's "easy" and not becau

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On 08/11/12 14:36, Jason Self wrote: There must be some kind of Stockholm syndrome going on here. I agree. Most people just adapt to circumstances. They will not seek freedom unless it is an equally easy choice as being subjugated. The only way to make a change is that the people that want

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Alexander Berntsen wrote: > the current area of research and > experimentation needs to be how > to we fund free game developers. Let's develop a new Crowd Funding platform for Free Software where customers vote for *future* bug- fixes and features by committing a "promise-to-fund" that charges th

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/11/12 17:01, Bob Ham wrote: > Write free software computer games. While I agree that *this* is the solution - not proprietary platforms such as Steam, writing games that rival the leading titles in the game industry today is completely non-triv

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Dnia piątek, 9 listopada 2012 o 17:07:38 Mark Holmquist napisał(a): > > Write free software computer games. > > Also, help existing ones that could use the push :) > > And of course, *play* free games. And demand sourcecode to games we play. It worked with some Humble Indie Bundle games. It wor

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Write free software computer games. Also, help existing ones that could use the push :) And of course, *play* free games. -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation mtrac...@member.fsf.org http://marktraceur.info

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:33:16 +1000, Steven Hamilton wrote: > What should we do currently? Write free software computer games. -- Bob Ham for (;;) { ++pancakes; }

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Thanks for the replies all. This thread has been listed on reddit/r/linux and has had a good bit of discussion there as well. I don't think the full impact of Steam is understood. This is a walled garden akin to iTunes. Valve dictate fairly strictly what goes on Steam and they also play the restri

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On a side note: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499900830/sir-you-are-being-hunted DRM free != Source Open :( -- Y On 9 November 2012 03:33, Zygo Blaxell wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:36:06AM -0800, Jason Self wrote: >> > A long standing, highly respected PC gaming company. >> > Prop

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:36:06AM -0800, Jason Self wrote: > > A long standing, highly respected PC gaming company. > > Proprietary > > DRM protections > > Limits play to only those machines authorised by Steam. > > DRM scheme is widely regarded as "good" by PC gamers The "good" part of the DRM s

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On 08/11/12 20:36, Jason Self wrote: > Steven Hamilton said >> Steam for Linux > er; GNU+Linux. > >> A long standing, highly respected PC gaming company. >> Proprietary >> DRM protections >> Limits play to only those machines authorised by Steam. >> DRM scheme is widely regarded as "good" by PC ga

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Steven Hamilton said > Steam for Linux er; GNU+Linux. > A long standing, highly respected PC gaming company. > Proprietary > DRM protections > Limits play to only those machines authorised by Steam. > DRM scheme is widely regarded as "good" by PC gamers While companies would prefer you to think

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/11/12 11:37, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > The problem is not Steam (and their DRM) per se, but the lack of > Quality Free Software Games, that I could play for weeks, without > getting bored. I am not in favour of Steam. It is a proprietary platf

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Dnia czwartek, 8 listopada 2012 o 13:39:50 Alexey Eromenko napisał(a): > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Yogesh Girikumar wrote: > > On 8 November 2012 16:07, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > >> There is no equivalent of Warcraft III or Skyrim in the > >> Open-Source world. The commercial-proprietary w

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Yogesh Girikumar wrote: > On 8 November 2012 18:09, Alexey Eromenko wrote: >> I have heard that Skyrim development costs top over $100 million. >> Skyrim created a huge virtual world, like a country in area and fully >> 3D. >> I doubt that any foundation can financ

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Yogesh Girikumar wrote: > On 8 November 2012 16:07, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > >> There is no equivalent of Warcraft III or Skyrim in the Open-Source world. >> The commercial-proprietary world is the only one that makes quality games. > > Those games or their equival

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On 8 November 2012 16:07, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > There is no equivalent of Warcraft III or Skyrim in the Open-Source world. > The commercial-proprietary world is the only one that makes quality games. Those games or their equivalents would require dedicated programmers working full time. They

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The problem is not Steam (and their DRM) per se, but the lack of Quality Free Software Games, that I could play for weeks, without getting bored. There is no equivalent of Warcraft III or Skyrim in the Open-Source world. The commercial-proprietary world is the only one that makes quality games. Th

[libreplanet-discuss] Steam for Linux

Hi All, This is my first post to this list so firstly an introduction. I'm an IT Architect (infra mainly), 42 yrs old and have been a GNU/Linux user since around 1996. It took until a conference last year for me to fully understand what Free Software is actually all about and now I'd like to do som