Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-31 Thread Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
Hello Andrés! Em Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:20:49 + Andrés Muñiz Piniella escreveu: > I think savannah uses the same in the background. It has a filter > system to insure the code you upload to a repo is libre. This will be > the next repo I use. I hope I make the cut. You are welcome to submit yo

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-31 Thread Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
Hello, Logan! Em Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:44:26 -0400 Logan Streondj escreveu: > In terms of repositories, currently the best and most available one > is sourceforge.net. They release their server code under an Apache > license. Although that's a desirable feature, it's not essential as far as the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-31 Thread Andrés Muñiz Piniella
El 31 de octubre de 2015 02:44:26 GMT+00:00, Logan Streondj escribió: >I think having a rating system is a great idea. >It allows for projects to know how they can improve their score. >Really gameifies playing along with RYF. > >In terms of repositories, currently the best and most available one

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-30 Thread Logan Streondj
I think having a rating system is a great idea. It allows for projects to know how they can improve their score. Really gameifies playing along with RYF. In terms of repositories, currently the best and most available one is sourceforge.net They release their server code under an Apache license.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-30 Thread Thomas HARDING
On 30/10/2015 05:08, arthur_tor...@comcast.net wrote: I'm not surprised that you don't know of cases where the labeling question has been a deciding factor, since given the RYF restrictions I'd consider a manufacturer that wanted to be able to sell to Windows users to be crazy to even apply..

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-29 Thread arthur_torrey
n other stuff' badges! ART --don't Arthur Torrey - --------------- - Original Message ----- From: John Sullivan To: arthur torrey Cc: libreplanet-discuss Sent: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 02:11:58 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-29 Thread John Sullivan
arthur_tor...@comcast.net writes: > It's the same problem I have with the RYF label - because you don't > allow the label to be used on a product that also has a 'Works with > ' system label, you cut your own throats - like it or not > that is a big set of users, and a manufacturer would be foolis

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-24 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 23:49:55 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote: > I don't know what happened below, but I dislike that Alex's words are > quoted to appear as something I wrote. Alex did quote me, but he quoted > me saying something else, and the "I think we should instead…" is not > words I wrote. So, Mi

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-24 Thread Aaron Wolf
I don't know what happened below, but I dislike that Alex's words are quoted to appear as something I wrote. Alex did quote me, but he quoted me saying something else, and the "I think we should instead…" is not words I wrote. So, Mike, please be careful about these things. Thanks On 10/23/2015 07

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-24 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 24/10/15 04:04, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > I can imagine ways in which that this risk can be reduced, but > fundamentally, unless you can examine and modify the _exact > instance of_ the software that you run, you are not in control. This is overly pe

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 22:22:51 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 23/10/15 16:02, Aaron Wolf wrote: > I think we should instead embrace it, and build a ladder to a future > where it may be rejected. And if one accepts this opinion, as I do, > one must work hard to ensure that SaaSS doesn't tri

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread arthur_torrey
While I respect and admire Richard's 'purity' - I also want to be able to deal with the real world, so my computer does have non-free software installed on it where I don't think the free alternatives are as good... Having a list / ranking / score system has a benefit - if for whatever reason

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 10/23/2015 01:22 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 23/10/15 16:02, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> In other words, "When concerns about SaaSS conflict with this other >> concern, I think we should compromise on SaaSS and prioritize the >> other concern" is a reasonable argument. The unreasonable argum

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 23/10/15 16:02, Aaron Wolf wrote: > In other words, "When concerns about SaaSS conflict with this other > concern, I think we should compromise on SaaSS and prioritize the > other concern" is a reasonable argument. The unreasonable argument > i

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 10/23/2015 02:44 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 22/10/15 16:27, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> Alex, that argument is simply unreasonable. That's comparable to >> Facebook saying "people who oppose our Internet.org closed, >> non-neutral, censored system are against poor people" or Microsoft >> s

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-23 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/10/15 16:27, Aaron Wolf wrote: > Alex, that argument is simply unreasonable. That's comparable to > Facebook saying "people who oppose our Internet.org closed, > non-neutral, censored system are against poor people" or Microsoft > saying "pe

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-22 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 10/22/2015 01:56 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 22/10/15 03:21, Mike Gerwitz wrote: >> GNU and the FSF stand against SaaSS. > Saying that you are against SaaSS doesn't make any sense when you > *develop SaaSS*, and are making ethical criteria for *using SaaSS*. > > And anyway, being "agai

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-22 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/10/15 03:21, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > GNU and the FSF stand against SaaSS. Saying that you are against SaaSS doesn't make any sense when you *develop SaaSS*, and are making ethical criteria for *using SaaSS*. And anyway, being "against SaaSS" is

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-21 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:09:21 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > Some are just stupid, like not allowing the site to recommend SaaSS, > when the sites themselves are in fact SaaSS. > > Some are trying to push unrelated FSF politics -- like "you need to > say GNU/Linux when we think you might be

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17/10/15 14:31, Robert Call (Bob) wrote: > [The GNU ethical repository criteria] is not solving the real > issues that we are now faced with. We can't continue to endorse any > one centralized place to host source code unless we want to > continue

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Alex Jordan
On 10/18/2015 4:23 PM, Julien Kyou wrote: > Just a thought but cant something like gnusocial be made except for > git? Can you expand a little more about what this would look like? You mean having some sort of network where you could send something like a PR, file issues, etc. across nodes? It's

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Julien Kyou
Just a thought but cant something like gnusocial be made except for git? dont ask me how I have No Idea ...actually this is the second time I sent this out (I apolopize) and since http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/867/self-hosted-replacement-for-github was mentioned, GitBucket seems

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Andres
El Sun, 18 de Oct 2015 a las 11:39 PM, Alex Jordan escribió: On 10/17/2015 9:11 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: Some hints: http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/867/self-hosted-replacement-for-github http://alternativeto.net/software/github/?license=opensource Jason Self also

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Alex Jordan
On 10/17/2015 9:11 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > Some hints: > http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/867/self-hosted-replacement-for-github > > http://alternativeto.net/software/github/?license=opensource Jason Self also has a [nice writeup] of the alternatives, focusing on the free so

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Ramana Kumar
Koz, your message gave me an idea: Do you think many people would be interested in paying someone to administer a server (to which they also have complete access, of course)? I can imagine, for example, setting up a virtual private server for code hosting (with a free GNU distribution) for someone,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-18 Thread Ramana Kumar
Just to add: the owner could have physical access, just giving the administrator root access over the network (via public key encryption), in case people don't trust any VPS with physical access. On 18 October 2015 at 17:08, Ramana Kumar wrote: > Koz, your message gave me an idea: > Do you think

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-17 Thread Koz Ross
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:00:37 + (UTC) Lori Nagel wrote: > What you haven't addressed is why projects don't host their own code.  I > remember starting a free software project back in 2005.  I did not have a lot > of money to spend on server hosting or know how to even set up a server like >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-17 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
Le 2015-10-17 11:38, Robert Call (Bob) a écrit : We need to stop endorsing centralized solutions and develop standards for free software projects to host their own repositories or use / develop tools that aid projects in doing so. +1 to this! I got the announcement too: http://www.fsf.org/news

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-17 Thread Robert Call (Bob)
On Sat, 2015-10-17 at 14:59 +, Mary-Anne Wolf wrote: > You suggested something "like" gittorrent. > How would this differ from gittorrent? > > Mary-Anne The issue is that the GNU project / FSF is proposing to give grades to various places that host free software source code repositories and e

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-17 Thread Mary-Anne Wolf
You suggested something "like" gittorrent. How would this differ from gittorrent? Mary-Anne

[libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.

2015-10-17 Thread Robert Call (Bob)
In the free software community, we are already faced with some very critical problems that need to be addressed sooner rather than later, with the number continuously growing all of the time. One of these critical problems involves the way free software source code is hosted and shared with the com