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Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: > From: tompc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: END WEBSIDESTORY CODE > > <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY> > <iframe src=cid:T96lwy83n height=0 width=0> > </iframe> > <FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:44:28 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the > process of upgrading > > my HD to a 20GB one. I'm following some advice I > saw on the list a > > while ago, using a windows boot disk's fdisk to > partition out the > > first 8.4 minus hibernation space, and a second > hibernation partition, > > then use a disk manager to partition the rest. > However, when I tried > > to fdisk, it can only see 7978 MB, and will only > let me parition 1137 > > MB. Any ideas as to why? I'm using a Win95 OSR2 > boot disk, my BIOS > > hasn't been upgraded (it's still 6.40), the HD is > an IBM-DJSA-220. > > Don't know... > What model of Libretto? > What OS('s) are you going to run? > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:21:47 +0100 (GMT/BST) > From: Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > Hmm, I make 7,978MB = 8,365,539,328 which sounds > close enough to me... > > (you do know 1GB is not 1000 MB right??? ) > > I measured the hibernation start as 8,373,335,040 on > my 100CT, but the > BIOS may be holding back a little more for some > reason. Probably rounding > to the nearest cylinder boundry according the the > mapped geometry > (multiple of 16065 sectors). Of course aligning to > virtual cylinder > boundries is completely pointless, but that is > Microsoft for you.. > > You don't have to reserve space for the hibernation > partion if using > windows FDISK. It gets the drive size from the BIOS, > which automatically > subtracts what it needs. That is the advantage of > doing the FDISK on > the Libretto rather than on a desktop. In fact it > reserves 64M for > hibernation, and an additional 12GB out of > stupidity. > > The point where you have to be careful is when you > use a more powerful > os which knows about the entire disk to allocate the > space on the > other side of the hibernation area. > > Don't know about the 1137MB limit. Did you enable > support for large > disks when starting FDISK? > > Regards, > DigbyT > > P.S. You didn't mention which Libretto you have - > they may behave > slightly differently. > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 05:44:35 +0000 > > From: "Cerulean Skies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the > process of upgrading my HD > > to a 20GB one. I'm following some advice I saw on > the list a while ago, > > using a windows boot disk's fdisk to partition out > the first 8.4 minus > > hibernation space, and a second hibernation > partition, then use a disk > > manager to partition the rest. However, when I > tried to fdisk, it can only > > see 7978 MB, and will only let me parition 1137 > MB. Any ideas as to why? > > I'm using a Win95 OSR2 boot disk, my BIOS hasn't > been upgraded (it's still > > 6.40), the HD is an IBM-DJSA-220. > > > > Shultz > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 04:40:54 -0500 > From: "Lines, Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Battery charger question > > Hi all > > I have a battery charger that I'm using a fair bit. > When I plug a battery > in, I occasionally get a red light appearing under > the word "charge". > > The battery is good and charges well in the > libretto. > > Any idea as to what this means? And can it be > fixed? > > Nick. > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:54:48 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2K installs on 100/110s > > At 04:40 PM 30/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:37:32 -0700 > >From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2K installs on 100/110s > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:28:09 +0700 > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2K installs on 100/110s > > > > > > > What needs to be copied from the Win2K CD to > the HD for the install? > > > > > > WINNT directory - that's it, just that one. > > > >How large is that directory? My Win2K CD is at > home, not here... > > It'll fit comfortably into 500 meg ... watch your > command line switches > though, I can have a look but IIRC if you don't use > a command line switch > on the setup program it'll try to make a SECOND copy > of the winnt directory > (a little dumb if you ask me but thats how it seemed > to work IIRC). > > > > > > Are there any files outside of the Win2K CD > you'll need? > > > >So the floppy drivers with Win2K will work? > > Yup ... in fact if you do an install, even on a > desktop, and watch > carefully during the preinstall text mode stage, the > driver 'Libretto > floppy' actually flies past the bottom of the screen > (the same part that > loads those esoteric drivers for things like Tseng > Labs video cards, 10 > year old Compaq SmartArrays, HP FibreChannel cards > and so on) ... > > > > > * including reserving the "hardware (BIOS) > hibernate" space > > > I'm not using any disk/overlay managers or > anything like that. > > > >How much space, where? Just create the 8Gig, then > leave about 1-200 Megs > >after > >that (formatted or not?), then the rest partitioned > however I wish? > > Don't bother formatting that space .. in fact on my > hard drive I've just > left it as unpartitioned space (created a partition > there to space the rest > of the partitions over it then went back and deleted > it). > > > >I had forgotten that I don't need to worry about an > overlay with Win2K, > > Be very careful. If the proverbial starts hitting > the fan, you'll have one > hellava time trying to get your DOS boot disks and > partition recovery tools > working (and you can't postemptively install the > overlay either). Thats the > same reason now I only format in NTFS when > absoluptly necessary for > security reasons ... makes data recovery too much of > a headache. 2k doesn't > seem to mind running under FAT32 ... > > > > so I > >guess I could use any 40Gig. Is IBM or Toshiba > better? They cost about the > >same. > > Flip a coin. Chances are the drive mechanics come > from the same factory > anyway. Perhaps aim for Toshiba if you're looking to > overclock, I hear the > IBM's electronics don't take kindly to raised bus > speeds. > > > - Raymond > > --- > > > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?" > | > | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I > backup?" | > | /__/ > +-------------------------------------------| > | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | | HTTP://www.raybot.net > | > | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on > DALNet! | > \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2K installs on 100/110s > > On Tue, 30 April 2002, Tom Stangl wrote > > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:59:09 -0700 > > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Win2K installs on 100/110s > > > > Hmmm, thought I sent this, but maybe Communicator > crashed when the email > > was open.... > > > > I know this has been discussed before, but does > anyone have a SUMMARY of > > all the steps necessary to install Win2K on a Lib > 100/110? > > A lot depends on your set up, specifically your > CDROM. > On mine, I use a Backpack CDROM that has parallel > capability, so I do not have to worry about CSS to > get > the PC card setup. When I installed my 30gb IBM, > this > is what I did. > > 1. Create a boot disk from Win9x, set up to boot and > load your CDROM drivers > > 2. Install your new HDD > > 3. Boot from floppy, FDISK and format > > 4. I installed EZBIOS, it was the only one that > worked > and sine I also have Win95 as well, I needed it. > > 5. I set up a total of 4 partitions. The first two > were > under the 8gb limit, then two partitions that were > roughly 10gb each. I also created a hidden partition > at > the 8gb boundary that covered the 1010-1040 cylinder > area for BIOS hibernation and Win95 hibernation. I > know > the size works out to be about 250mb total, but I > figured with 30gb I could spare the room. I just > didn't > feel like trying to reduce it to the smallest size > possible. > > 6. Reboot with EZBIOS installed, boot from the > floppy, > and install Win2K from the CD, and it will handle > the > rest. On my particular install, I used the L100 > recovery CDROM to install the Win95 portion onto C:, > then installed Win2K from within Win95. and > performed a > clean install on D:, which automatically set up my > boot > menu as well. > > 7. Win2K will recognize everything in the Libretto, > including the floppy drive. BIOS 8.0 is an absolute > minimum to work properly with Win2K. I had Win2k > running on my old HDD with v8.0 with no problems, > then > updated to 8.1 when it came out. No problems with > the > floppy in any install. Only had to install a couple > updated drivers for PC cards and such that were more > current than what was included with Win2K. > > That is pretty much it. I used Partition Magic 7.0 > to > fine tune the partitions, EZBIOS 9.09w. I have a > L100, > OC to 266 w/64mb. Drive is an IBM 30gb travelstar. I > would highly reccomend the IBM, at least in their > notebook drives. Bigger cache than Toshiba, and 3 > year > warranty. > > > > > I'd like to install it, and if anyone has a > summary, > I'd be happy to build > > an HTML page and post it, and any Libretto > webmasters > would be free to copy > > it to their site. > > > > Key points: > > What needs to be copied from the Win2K CD to the > HD > for the install? > > Is there a Win\Options\CAB like on the Win98 > CD, > and if so, what is the > > > > path? Do you need any other > files/directories? > > I think if you wanted to copy the install files to > the > HDD, and install from there, you copied the i386 > directory, then you would not need the CD for the > install. Never did it that way though, so I may be > off > on the directory. > > > > > If you already have Win98 on the system, will the > Win2K install: > > Barf and quit > > Ask if you want to install over Win98 > > Ask if you want to install to a new directory > > Ask if you want to set up a dualboot with > Win98 > > Tell you that you need to reinstall Win98 > afterwards, and customize > > it for dualboot (I don't THINK so, I think > Win2K has to be > > installed AFTER Win98 to avoid problems)? > > In order for dual boot to work automatically, it > needs > to be installed second. That is how I always did it, > and never had a problem. If win98 is already on the > machine, you can install Win2k from within Win98 via > the CD, it will give you an option for a clean > install, > and just select the partition you want it to be on, > and > it will handle the rest. At least that is how it > handled mine under Win95, so should do the same > under > Win98. > > > > Are there any files outside of the Win2K CD you'll > need? > > Floppy drivers? Win2K, or use Win98? > > The only Win2K specific file I see on the > Toshiba > site for 110s is > > the Power Extensions - should I use that > one > or the one from Win2K? > > I installed 2 or 3 Toshiba files after installing > Win2k. I will need to dig through my drive and find > them. One was the power extensions for Win2k. > Another > was the HW tools from Toshiba. There might have been > a > third set, but I can't seem to remember right now. > > > > > What is the recommended BIOS level for Win2K on a > 110? 6.5, 7.3, 8.0, or > > 8.1? > > If you haven't upgraded to 8.1, you might as well do > it. I think 8.0 was the version Toshiba released for > the initial compatibility with Win2k, and 8.1 fixed > a > glitch with the 3.3/5.0v on the PC Card socket. > > > > > > > > > I'm considering just buying a 40Gig IBM > Travelstar, > since they're only $148 > > at newegg.com. Then I can install clean. All > I'll > need at that point is > > another hard drive handle. Does anyone know a > place > that sells them at a > > REASONABLE price? Last time I looked, one site > wanted $20, and I'd rather > > build my own from scratch than pay that! But I > really want a spare handle, > > so I can leave the current one on the Win98 20Gig > that's in the system, so > > swapping is as fast as possible if needed. > > > > I would get the IBM. good drive, and pretty quiet, > at > least on my 30gb. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:01:09 -0500 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: win2k source directory > > The source directory for win2k install off the CD is > i386, not winnt. That > is the destination install default directory. > > Konrad > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:05:08 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > At 02:35 AM 1/05/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:21:47 +0100 (GMT/BST) > >From: Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > >Hmm, I make 7,978MB = 8,365,539,328 which sounds > close enough to me... > > > >(you do know 1GB is not 1000 MB right??? ) > > > >I measured the hibernation start as 8,373,335,040 > on my 100CT, but the > >BIOS may be holding back a little more for some > reason. Probably rounding > >to the nearest cylinder boundry according the the > mapped geometry > >(multiple of 16065 sectors). Of course aligning to > virtual cylinder > >boundries is completely pointless, but that is > Microsoft for you.. > > Why do we keep talking about the 8GB boundary? Its > the 1024 cylinder > boundary, it just so happens that most of the drives > have the same number > of bytes per cylinder. Problem is you'll get bitten > if you come across some > other drive with a different config that you're not > aware of. Much safer > IMHO to just partition based on the cylinders (use > Linux FDISK/CFDISK or > *gasp* Partition Magic if you want). Note that > cylinder 1024 isn't the > limit of where you want to partition, its more like > cylinder 1013 > (remember, the libretto can only SEE up to 1024 > natively so it'll shove its > hibernation junk just before it). Perhaps a search > of this list for the > numbers 1013 and 1014 will turn up some more info > ... > > > >You don't have to reserve space for the hibernation > partion if using > >windows FDISK. It gets the drive size from the > BIOS, which automatically > >subtracts what it needs. > > GAH! NO NO NO NO! ABSOLUPTLY NOT! > > Definitely not if you're using an overlay, otherwise > I've had weird > problems with that on my 20 gig drive. I think its a > combination of the > fact that booted into a DOS boot disk without > overlay only sees 8 gig and > the fact that the Libby's BIOS by itself only seeing > 1024 cylinders then > trying to figure out what to do with hibernation. > Play it safe, do it > properly. > > > >That is the advantage of doing the FDISK on > >the Libretto rather than on a desktop. In fact it > reserves 64M for > >hibernation, and an additional 12GB out of > stupidity. > > Heh .. there's Windows for you. I just use Windows > FDISK to create a 6 gig > partition (ie. well away from the hibernation > partition, assuming 1024 > cylinders is around 8 gig) then use Partition Magic > or Linux FDISK/CFDISK > to do the exact partitioning around the hibernation > area (where you can see > and/or work in terms of cylinders). > > > >The point where you have to be careful is when you > use a more powerful > >os which knows about the entire disk to allocate > the space on the > >other side of the hibernation area. > > Umm ... you've lost me. My install of Win98SE on my > libby can see the > partition that goes from the 18 gig to the 20 gig > mark on my hard drive ... > > > >Don't know about the 1137MB limit. Did you enable > support for large > >disks when starting FDISK? > > 1137MB limit? Where did that come from? I'm > intrigued ... > > > Hope I've been of some help! > > > - Raymond > > --- > > > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?" > | > | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I > backup?" | > | /__/ > +-------------------------------------------| > | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | | HTTP://www.raybot.net > | > | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on > DALNet! | > \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ > > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:07:32 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > At 10:50 PM 30/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 05:44:35 +0000 > >From: "Cerulean Skies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > >So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the > process of upgrading my > >HD to a 20GB one. I'm following some advice I saw > on the list a while > >ago, using a windows boot disk's fdisk to partition > out the first 8.4 > >minus hibernation space, and a second hibernation > partition, then use a > >disk manager to partition the rest. However, when > I tried to fdisk, it > >can only see 7978 MB, and will only let me parition > 1137 MB. Any ideas as > >to why? > > Ah I see what you mean (refer to my previous post > about not having heard of > that limit). > > Windows FDISK has a bug in it which means that in a > way it actually DOES > see above 8 gig, it just wraps around (so if you've > got a 9 gig hard drive > it'll let you go to about 1 gig or so because its > wrapped around). Play it > safe, get an overlay program and do it properly. I > *THINK* Windows FDISK > will behave with an overlay, if not use Partition > Magic or Linux FDISK. > Alternatively, I think there's a freeware program > out there called Ranish > partition manager (or something like that), I've got > a colleague that > swears by that but I've never used it myself. > Apparently it lets you do all > that stuff as well. > > > - Raymond > > --- > > > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?" > | > | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I > backup?" | > | /__/ > +-------------------------------------------| > | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | | HTTP://www.raybot.net > | > | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on > DALNet! | > \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > On Tue, 30 April 2002, "Cerulean Skies" wrote > > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 05:44:35 +0000 > > From: "Cerulean Skies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the > process of upgrading my HD > > to a 20GB one. I'm following some advice I saw on > the list a while ago, > > using a windows boot disk's fdisk to partition out > the first 8.4 minus > > hibernation space, and a second hibernation > partition, then use a disk > > manager to partition the rest. However, when I > tried > to fdisk, it can only > > see 7978 MB, and will only let me parition 1137 > MB. > Any ideas as to why? > > I'm using a Win95 OSR2 boot disk, my BIOS hasn't > been > upgraded (it's still > > 6.40), the HD is an IBM-DJSA-220. > > > > Shultz > > I would probably upgrade your BIOS first, then > perform > the install. Will you be putting Win9x back on the > new > drive, or going to Win2K or XP? When I replaced mine > I > think FDISK only saw the 8gb or so. I used EZBIOS to > get past the 8gb limitation and Partition Magic to > sort > out the hibernation space. Try the BIOS upgrade > first, > then try to FDISK again. That might solve part of > your > problem. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 11 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:16:39 -0500 > From: "Lines, Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: 100CT overclocking (again) > > I'm trying to find a definitive answer on > overclocking > the 100CT, as I'm confused. This is a fairly > natural > state for me to be in. :-) > > 200MHz seems rock stable on all machines, 233MHz > seems > like a good option but is a swine to do and 266MHz > is > not without risk. > > However, how do I overclock. > > I've looked at David's site and looked at his > picture, > but then the text lower down on the site says > something > else to what's in the picture. > > Dr Xin's page is good, but looks different again, > saying > that I have to remove a resistor for 200MHz. > > And finally, this Swiss page says something > different > again. > http://home.datacomm.ch/psumesgutner/libretto/en/oc_100_c.htm > > Before I blow things up, what's the "right" way to > get > 200MHz, or should I just try 266MHz? > > And is there an easy way to get 233? > > Thanks, > > Nick. > > > > > > -------------------- 12 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:17:39 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > At 07:05 AM 1/05/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:01:09 -0500 > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: win2k source directory > > > >The source directory for win2k install off the CD > is i386, not winnt. That > >is the destination install default directory. > > *hits self* How the heck did I miss that ... hehe > > If you're copying it across under DOS, remember to > use xcopy and not copy > (to catch the subdirectories as well). > > > - Raymond > > --- > > > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?" > | > | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I > backup?" | > | /__/ > +-------------------------------------------| > | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | | HTTP://www.raybot.net > | > | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on > DALNet! | > \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ > > > > > -------------------- 13 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:38:24 +0200 > From: "Gennadiy Tsygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] li-ion cells > > II posted on Monday that cells did not fit. I even > removed jackets form the > cells and did a little bit of filing in the battery > case. If somebody will be > more creative, please post your experience. > > | > |> I have not tried to put 18x64 mm cells in the > battery because I only have > |5 of > |> them, but 17 mm seemed a tight fit. There is > sticky tap in my battery, but > |it > |> is not foamy and very thin. I will try to replace > the cells just to see if > |they > | > |Great!! It'll be interesting to know if they can > work. > | > > > > > -------------------- 14 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:29:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] 100CT overclocking (again) > > "Lines, Nick" wrote > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:16:39 -0500 > > From: "Lines, Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: 100CT overclocking (again) > > > > I'm trying to find a definitive answer on > overclocking > > the 100CT, as I'm confused. This is a fairly > natural > > state for me to be in. :-) > > > > 200MHz seems rock stable on all machines, 233MHz > seems > > like a good option but is a swine to do and 266MHz > is > > not without risk. > > > > However, how do I overclock. > > > > I've looked at David's site and looked at his > picture, > > but then the text lower down on the site says > something > > else to what's in the picture. > > > > Dr Xin's page is good, but looks different again, > saying > > that I have to remove a resistor for 200MHz. > > > > And finally, this Swiss page says something > different > > again. > > > http://home.datacomm.ch/psumesgutner/libretto/en/oc_100_c.htm > > > > Before I blow things up, what's the "right" way to > get > > 200MHz, or should I just try 266MHz? > > > > And is there an easy way to get 233? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick. > > > > I used Xin's instructions on his page to OC my L100 > from 166 to 266 with no problems. Pretty delicate > procedure though, very small and precise soldering > is > required. DO NOT use any soldering iron stronger > than > 15W, otherwise you run a risk of damaging some of > the > nearby resistors due to the excessive heat. Been a > while since I looked at the 233 procedure though, so > I > cannot comment on that. I suppose if you wanted to > you > could send it to Xin to do, as he does perform the > service. I think right now if you send it to him for > his new PS2 port solution, he will do the OC at no > charge. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 15 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:15:06 -0700 > From: "Jason/Dynamism" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > There is no doubt that Dynamism is not the cheapest > option, but we do > offer more value for your money. We offer toll-free > tech support. We > maintain offices in the United States, and in > Japan--we are not a > one-guy shop that could go on hiatus when someone > takes vacation or > wants a career change. We have the earliest and > most far-reaching > access to products. We take all major credit cards, > do leasing, accept > purchase orders from major corporations, and offer > local bank payment in > more than thirty countries. With four uninterrupted > years of growth, we > are the most acclaimed worldwide source for Japanese > notebooks and > electronics. We are fixated on offering extreme > customer service. And, > we value everyone's business--customers and > potential customers. > > We believe we have a track record of unmatched > reliability and customer > service, and we work hard every day to fulfill our > and our customers' > expectations. So, we don't want to lose your > business on a price basis > alone. If you are in the market to purchase a > Libretto, or other > Japanese notebook, please contact us to let us know > what you are looking > for, and what options you are looking at. We will > do our best to earn > your business. > > Thank you, > Jason / Dynamism Sales > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Seiden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:31 AM > To: Libretto > Subject: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:28:57 -0700 > From: Daniel Seiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > Hello > > From what I have heard they offer very good > service. I have a > friend who purchased a unit from them and has > been very happy with > the service and support that he has received. > > I personally would rather get it directly from > Japan and work on it > myself. :-) > > Dan > > > PW> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:22:34 -0400 > PW> From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PW> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > PW> I spoke with Dynamism yesterday, and although > they do NOT accept the > Toshiba > PW> FDC settlement freecard, they do offer a > courtesy discount up to > $200 if you > PW> have one. Since they are absorbing this, I think > it is a nice > gesture and > PW> well worth a strong consideration. > > PW> Thanks > > PW> Pres Waterman W2PW > PW> c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > PW> Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > PW> GO BILLS! > PW> Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww! > PW> ©¿© > > > > > > > PW> > ************************************************************** > PW> http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > PW> http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > PW> -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > PW> Reply to any of the list messages. 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I don't know if your support of the > 1100v is typical of your > support, but I must say it was a lot less than what > I had hoped for. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason/Dynamism" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:20 PM > Subject: RE: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:15:06 -0700 > From: "Jason/Dynamism" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > There is no doubt that Dynamism is not the cheapest > option, but we do > offer more value for your money. We offer toll-free > tech support. We > maintain offices in the United States, and in > Japan--we are not a > one-guy shop that could go on hiatus when someone > takes vacation or > wants a career change. We have the earliest and > most far-reaching > access to products. We take all major credit cards, > do leasing, accept > purchase orders from major corporations, and offer > local bank payment in > more than thirty countries. With four uninterrupted > years of growth, we > are the most acclaimed worldwide source for Japanese > notebooks and > electronics. We are fixated on offering extreme > customer service. And, > we value everyone's business--customers and > potential customers. > > We believe we have a track record of unmatched > reliability and customer > service, and we work hard every day to fulfill our > and our customers' > expectations. So, we don't want to lose your > business on a price basis > alone. If you are in the market to purchase a > Libretto, or other > Japanese notebook, please contact us to let us know > what you are looking > for, and what options you are looking at. We will > do our best to earn > your business. > > Thank you, > Jason / Dynamism Sales > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Seiden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:31 AM > To: Libretto > Subject: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:28:57 -0700 > From: Daniel Seiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re[4]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > Hello > > From what I have heard they offer very good > service. I have a > friend who purchased a unit from them and has > been very happy with > the service and support that he has received. > > I personally would rather get it directly from > Japan and work on it > myself. :-) > > Dan > > > PW> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:22:34 -0400 > PW> From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PW> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] New Libretto L5 > > PW> I spoke with Dynamism yesterday, and although > they do NOT accept the > Toshiba > PW> FDC settlement freecard, they do offer a > courtesy discount up to > $200 if you > PW> have one. Since they are absorbing this, I think > it is a nice > gesture and > PW> well worth a strong consideration. > > PW> Thanks > > PW> Pres Waterman W2PW > PW> c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > PW> Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > PW> GO BILLS! > PW> Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww! > PW> ©¿© > > > > > > > PW> > ************************************************************** > PW> http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > PW> http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > PW> -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > PW> Reply to any of the list messages. 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Thanks, Konrad, and apologies to all. > > FWIW, the answer I couldn't give previously:- > Size: 289 MB (303,681,964 bytes) > Size on disk: 301 MB (315,768,832 bytes) > > > > -------------------- 18 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:05:12 +0000 > From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Play it safe, get an overlay program and do it > properly. > > Does David, or someone else, still have a link > posted to the proper version > of EZDrive with EZBios (9.09?) that a lot of us have > used? It took him a > while to track down a copy, and might not be easy > for someone setting up a > > 8MB HDD these days to find. > > Matt (Shel) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > -------------------- 19 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:21:13 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > http://www.fixup.net/ > > http://www.fixup.net/tips/20gb/20gb.htm - crud, > the link there doesn't work > :-/ > > Note from that page: > "Among the many overlay programs, -- all are free > from major hard drive > manufacturers, I've found the EZMaker from Western > Digital is the only one > that's fully compatible to all versions of Windows, > including > Win95/98/SE/Me/NT/2000. But, it refuses to install > if it cannot see a WD or IBM > drive around. . In order to make your life easier, > buy a IBM drive instead of > Toshiba. Otherwise, you have to mount the drive to a > desktop that has a WD or > IBM drive to install EZMaker. " > > > Archives: > http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/ > > http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libsearch.cgi?query=EZBios&ichoice=libretto&results=25 > > Dave's Adorable site used to have it at > http://160.87.24.214/ezdrv909.zip - > doesn't work now :-/ > > I guess we'd better find a new copy somewhere and > have someone host it. > > > > > > Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:05:12 +0000 > > From: "Matthew Hanson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Play it safe, get an overlay program and do it > properly. > > > > Does David, or someone else, still have a link > posted to the proper version > > of EZDrive with EZBios (9.09?) that a lot of us > have used? It took him a > > while to track down a copy, and might not be easy > for someone setting up a > > > 8MB HDD these days to find. > > > > Matt (Shel) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ************************************************************** > > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > > > -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail > should be > > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then > replace any text > > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > > --------TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST------ > > Do above but with this on subject line: > cmd:unsubscribe digest > > > ************************************************************** > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 20 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:25:22 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > Interesting, mine reports 289MB with 295MB on disk. > > I looked at the i386 directory, and the only > executables I see are: > ARCLDR.ECE > ARCSETUP.EXE > AUTOCHK.EXE > AUTOFMT.EXE > DTCSETUP.EXE > EXPAND.EXE > NTSD.EXE > REGEDIT.EXE > TELNET.EXE > USETUP.EXE > WINNT.EXE > WINNT32.EXE > > Which is the "setup" executable to install? It > looks like I might need the > SETUP.EXE from the root dir of the CD. Do I need > any of the other root dir > files? > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:42:08 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > The source directory for win2k install off the > CD is i386, not winnt. > > > > Ooooops! - I was the source of that misinformation > - sorry! > > So, yes i386. Thanks, Konrad, and apologies to > all. > > > > FWIW, the answer I couldn't give previously:- > > Size: 289 MB (303,681,964 bytes) > > Size on disk: 301 MB (315,768,832 bytes) > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 21 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:45:02 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: overlay programs [LIB] > > I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 > scenario, if you're going > to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are these > overlay programs totally > redundant? And if not, what purpose would they serve > in such a scenario? > > > > > -------------------- 22 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:46:20 -0400 > From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > If memory serves me right, you should run WINNT.EXE > under dos and > WINNT32.EXE under windows. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Stangl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:25:22 -0700 > > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > Interesting, mine reports 289MB with 295MB on > disk. > > > > I looked at the i386 directory, and the only > executables I see are: > > ARCLDR.ECE > > ARCSETUP.EXE > > AUTOCHK.EXE > > AUTOFMT.EXE > > DTCSETUP.EXE > > EXPAND.EXE > > NTSD.EXE > > REGEDIT.EXE > > TELNET.EXE > > USETUP.EXE > > WINNT.EXE > > WINNT32.EXE > > > > Which is the "setup" executable to install? It > looks like I might need > the > > SETUP.EXE from the root dir of the CD. Do I need > any of the other root > dir > > files? > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:42:08 +0700 > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > > > The source directory for win2k install off the > CD is i386, not winnt. > > > > > > Ooooops! - I was the source of that > misinformation - sorry! > > > So, yes i386. Thanks, Konrad, and apologies to > all. > > > > > > FWIW, the answer I couldn't give previously:- > > > Size: 289 MB (303,681,964 bytes) > > > Size on disk: 301 MB (315,768,832 bytes) > > > > -- > > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > > | iPlanet Support - > > > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > > | Please do not associate my personal views with > my employer > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > > > -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail > should be > > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then > replace any text > > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > > --------TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST------ > > Do above but with this on subject line: > cmd:unsubscribe digest > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 23 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:53:22 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > OK, I loaded Fixup using IE because the formatting > SUCKED for Communicator, and it > wouldn't let me access the download in IE. But it > loaded fine in Communicator. > > http://www.fixup.net/tips/20gb/20gb.htm > > http://www.fixup.net/download/wd/ - this is the > EZBios image > http://www.winimage.com/download.htm - here's where > you get WinImage to create a floppy > from the EZBios image. > > Remember, this will only work with WD and IBM > drives, so if you don't have a Travelstar > HD, you'll need to use EZBios on a desktop with a WD > or IBM drive to get it to work > (according to Xin's page). > > > Tom Stangl wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:21:13 -0700 > > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > http://www.fixup.net/ > > > > http://www.fixup.net/tips/20gb/20gb.htm - > crud, the link there doesn't work > > :-/ > > > > Note from that page: > > "Among the many overlay programs, -- all are free > from major hard drive > > manufacturers, I've found the EZMaker from Western > Digital is the only one > > that's fully compatible to all versions of > Windows, including > > Win95/98/SE/Me/NT/2000. But, it refuses to > install if it cannot see a WD or IBM > > drive around. . In order to make your life > easier, buy a IBM drive instead of > > Toshiba. Otherwise, you have to mount the drive to > a desktop that has a WD or > > IBM drive to install EZMaker. " > > > > Archives: > > http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/ > > > > > http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libsearch.cgi?query=EZBios&ichoice=libretto&results=25 > > > > Dave's Adorable site used to have it at > http://160.87.24.214/ezdrv909.zip - > > doesn't work now :-/ > > > > I guess we'd better find a new copy somewhere and > have someone host it. > > > > Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:05:12 +0000 > > > From: "Matthew Hanson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > > > >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >Play it safe, get an overlay program and do it > properly. > > > > > > Does David, or someone else, still have a link > posted to the proper version > > > of EZDrive with EZBios (9.09?) that a lot of us > have used? It took him a > > > while to track down a copy, and might not be > easy for someone setting up a > > > > 8MB HDD these days to find. > > > > > > Matt (Shel) > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 24 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:56:33 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > They are redundant if you are ONLY going to run > Win2K. If you are going to > dualboot with Win95/98, you'll need them. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:45:02 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 > scenario, if you're going > > to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are these > overlay programs totally > > redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve in such a scenario? > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 25 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:50:28 +0100 (GMT/BST) > From: Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > > > >I measured the hibernation start as 8,373,335,040 > on my 100CT, but the > > >BIOS may be holding back a little more for some > reason. Probably rounding > > >to the nearest cylinder boundry according the the > mapped geometry > > >(multiple of 16065 sectors). Of course aligning > to virtual cylinder > > >boundries is completely pointless, but that is > Microsoft for you.. > > > > Why do we keep talking about the 8GB boundary? Its > the 1024 cylinder > > boundary, it just so happens that most of the > drives have the same number > > of bytes per cylinder. Problem is you'll get > bitten if you come across some > > other drive with a different config that you're > not aware of. Much safer > > IMHO to just partition based on the cylinders (use > Linux FDISK/CFDISK or > > *gasp* Partition Magic if you want). Note that > cylinder 1024 isn't the > > limit of where you want to partition, its more > like cylinder 1013 > > (remember, the libretto can only SEE up to 1024 > natively so it'll shove its > > hibernation junk just before it). Perhaps a search > of this list for the > > numbers 1013 and 1014 will turn up some more info > ... > > Not really. The DJSA-220 has a physical geometry of > 16 heads and 63 > sectors/track. A 1024 cylinder limit would cut you > off at at around > 500MB. > > To get around this, the BIOS uses a 'mapped' > geometry of 255 heads, > 63 sectors per track and 1024 cylinders - the limit > imposed on > all three quantities by the original IDE hardware > interface. > > Thus the BIOS limit is 1024x255x63x512 = > 8,422,686,720 regardless > of the geometry of the drive. In the case of the > DJSA-220 this > gives access to the first 16383 cylinders out of a > total of 38760. > > > The drive actually has '16383 cylinders' printed on > the label, indicating > what the BIOS will see. > > > >You don't have to reserve space for the > hibernation partion if using > > >windows FDISK. It gets the drive size from the > BIOS, which automatically > > >subtracts what it needs. > > > > GAH! NO NO NO NO! ABSOLUPTLY NOT! > > > > Definitely not if you're using an overlay, > otherwise I've had weird > > problems with that on my 20 gig drive. I think its > a combination of the > > fact that booted into a DOS boot disk without > overlay only sees 8 gig and > > the fact that the Libby's BIOS by itself only > seeing 1024 cylinders then > > trying to figure out what to do with hibernation. > Play it safe, do it > > properly. > > You can't do it properly without fixing the BIOS. > Anything else is > a kludge, and can't be more than an educated guess > which you need to > confirm by forcing a hibernate and confirming that > it goes where you > expected.... > > What I was refering to was booting using booting the > W95 > that came with the machine and using the supplied > FDISK. Not overlay, > no third party tools, no alternate operating system. > It then appears > to treats it like an 8GB drive and leaves the > hibernation space that > would be appropriate for that circumstance. > > I have never used an overlay, because there is no > way I would want to > waste more the 8GB on Windows. > > > >That is the advantage of doing the FDISK on > > >the Libretto rather than on a desktop. In fact it > reserves 64M for > > >hibernation, and an additional 12GB out of > stupidity. > > > > Heh .. there's Windows for you. I just use Windows > FDISK to create a 6 gig > > partition (ie. well away from the hibernation > partition, assuming 1024 > > cylinders is around 8 gig) then use Partition > Magic or Linux FDISK/CFDISK > > to do the exact partitioning around the > hibernation area (where you can see > > and/or work in terms of cylinders). > > Or at least in multiples of 16065 sectors - not > really cylinders. > > > >The point where you have to be careful is when > you use a more powerful > > >os which knows about the entire disk to allocate > the space on the > > >other side of the hibernation area. > > > > Umm ... you've lost me. My install of Win98SE on > my libby can see the > > partition that goes from the 18 gig to the 20 gig > mark on my hard drive ... > > > I mean DOS FDISK lets you partition up to 8GB minus > a bit. You can then use > Linux FDISK etc to partition from the other side of > the hibernation > area (8GB plus a bit) to the end of the disk. > > In practice. having identified the where the BIOS > thinks the disk > ends, you probably want re-partition on both sides > of the hibernation > area. > > In my case, having used the second fdisk partition > to determine the > end of the disk as far as the BIOS is concerned, I > booted Linux, > removed the second partition and then created two > more primary partitions > within the 8GB area, and an extended partiton that > went to the end of > the disk. Then create logical drives, one of which > straddles the hibernation > area. > > > > >Don't know about the 1137MB limit. Did you enable > support for large > > >disks when starting FDISK? > > > > 1137MB limit? Where did that come from? I'm > intrigued ... > > > > I see you found the reference in the original post. > > Regards, > DigbyT > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk > > > > -------------------- 26 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:57:56 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > Well, since I have an IBM Microdrive along with all > my CF cards, I just copied > the entire CD over, and will drop it into a Win2K-CD > directory on the 8Gig > partition for the install. That way, I ALWAYS have > all the files accessible. > > > Lawrence Young wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:46:20 -0400 > > From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > If memory serves me right, you should run > WINNT.EXE under dos and > > WINNT32.EXE under windows. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Stangl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:25:22 -0700 > > > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > > Interesting, mine reports 289MB with 295MB on > disk. > > > > > > I looked at the i386 directory, and the only > executables I see are: > > > ARCLDR.ECE > > > ARCSETUP.EXE > > > AUTOCHK.EXE > > > AUTOFMT.EXE > > > DTCSETUP.EXE > > > EXPAND.EXE > > > NTSD.EXE > > > REGEDIT.EXE > > > TELNET.EXE > > > USETUP.EXE > > > WINNT.EXE > > > WINNT32.EXE > > > > > > Which is the "setup" executable to install? It > looks like I might need > > the > > > SETUP.EXE from the root dir of the CD. Do I > need any of the other root > > dir > > > files? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:42:08 +0700 > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > > > > > The source directory for win2k install off > the CD is i386, not winnt. > > > > > > > > Ooooops! - I was the source of that > misinformation - sorry! > > > > So, yes i386. Thanks, Konrad, and apologies to > all. > > > > > > > > FWIW, the answer I couldn't give previously:- > > > > Size: 289 MB (303,681,964 bytes) > > > > Size on disk: 301 MB (315,768,832 bytes) > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 27 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:58:11 -0700 > From: "Eamon Ho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [LIB] win2k source directory > > Winnt.exe will start the install, it helps a LOT to > run smartdrv before > you do it though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Stangl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:31 PM > To: Libretto > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:25:22 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > Interesting, mine reports 289MB with 295MB on disk. > > I looked at the i386 directory, and the only > executables I see are: > ARCLDR.ECE ARCSETUP.EXE AUTOCHK.EXE AUTOFMT.EXE > DTCSETUP.EXE EXPAND.EXE > NTSD.EXE REGEDIT.EXE TELNET.EXE USETUP.EXE WINNT.EXE > WINNT32.EXE > > Which is the "setup" executable to install? It > looks like I might need > the SETUP.EXE from the root dir of the CD. Do I > need any of the other > root dir files? > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:42:08 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > > > The source directory for win2k install off the > CD is i386, not > > > winnt. > > > > Ooooops! - I was the source of that misinformation > - sorry! So, yes > > i386. Thanks, Konrad, and apologies to all. > > > > FWIW, the answer I couldn't give previously:- > > Size: 289 MB (303,681,964 bytes) > > Size on disk: 301 MB (315,768,832 bytes) > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > ************************************************************** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > Reply to any of the list messages. 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I have not used it, so cannot verify. > Found it in a Google search > before David posted his copy. > > <A > HREF="http://www.uwm.edu/People/aleinss/ezdrive.zip";>Click > here: Adam's > File Page</A> > > Lee > > > > -------------------- 29 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:14:18 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > Interesting, mine reports 289MB with 295MB on > disk. > > My "on disk" is on a 7.77GB FAT32 partition on my > 30GB Fujitsu. > 5307 files, 92 folders. > > > I looked at the i386 directory, and the only > executables I see are: > > ARCLDR.ECE > > ARCSETUP.EXE > > AUTOCHK.EXE > > AUTOFMT.EXE > > DTCSETUP.EXE > > EXPAND.EXE > > NTSD.EXE > > REGEDIT.EXE > > TELNET.EXE > > USETUP.EXE > > WINNT.EXE > > WINNT32.EXE > > > > Which is the "setup" executable to install? It > looks like I might need > the > > SETUP.EXE from the root dir of the CD. Do I need > any of the other root > dir > > files? > > I copied nothing other than that one directory and > everything within it. > > WINNT.EXE did the deed for me, first time, without a > single hitch. > > > > -------------------- 30 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:20:01 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > >> I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 > scenario, if you're > going > >> to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are these > overlay programs > totally > >> redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve in such a scenario? > > > > They are redundant if you are ONLY going to run > Win2K. > > If you are going to dualboot with Win95/98, you'll > need them. > > One more, again for no reason other than idle > curiosity - what are the > typical / most likely scenarios now where Win'95 > and/or Win'98 are > preferrable to Win'2K on an L100/L110 with 64MB and > a 20/30/40GB HDD? > > > > -------------------- 31 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:38:19 -0700 > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > Ya got me ;-) > > Maybe for paranoid freaks that want to be able to > boot to Win98 if Win2K dies > (oh wait, I'm normally one of those paranoid freaks, > I always partition 2Gig > FAT for Win95/98 so I can boot to DOS if necessary). > > But for these large drives, booting to Win95/98 > without an overlay is a REALLY > bad idea. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:20:01 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > >> I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD > L100/L110 scenario, if you're > > going > > >> to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are > these overlay programs > > totally > > >> redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve in such a scenario? > > > > > > They are redundant if you are ONLY going to run > Win2K. > > > If you are going to dualboot with Win95/98, > you'll need them. > > > > One more, again for no reason other than idle > curiosity - what are the > > typical / most likely scenarios now where Win'95 > and/or Win'98 are > > preferrable to Win'2K on an L100/L110 with 64MB > and a 20/30/40GB HDD? > > -- > | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, > Sun Microsystems > | iPlanet Support - > http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/iplanet/index.html > | Please do not associate my personal views with my > employer > > > > > > -------------------- 32 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:04:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > "Matthew Hanson" wrote > > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:05:12 +0000 > > From: "Matthew Hanson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Play it safe, get an overlay program and do it > properly. > > > > Does David, or someone else, still have a link > posted > to the proper version > > of EZDrive with EZBios (9.09?) that a lot of us > have > used? It took him a > > while to track down a copy, and might not be easy > for > someone setting up a > > > 8MB HDD these days to find. > > > > Matt (Shel) > > > > I have a copy on my HDD, I can email it to someone > if > they can take the size, or upload it to someone if > they > can host it. Unfortunately I do not have the > capability > to host it myself. Don't remember offhand just how > large it is, I think around 1mb or so. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 33 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:45:02 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 > scenario, if you're going > > to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are these > overlay programs totally > > redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve > in such a scenario? > > > > Primarily, I think you would have problems if you > had a > total system crash and had to reboot from DOS to fix > it. At that point you could only see the 8gb, and if > the files you needed to fix whatever problem you had > were beyond that, they would be inaccessible. With > the > overlay running, you could still access all your > other > partitions in DOS. This is the only circumstance > that > immediately comes to mind. > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 34 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > Tom Stangl wrote > > > > > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:53:22 -0700 > > From: Tom Stangl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > > > OK, I loaded Fixup using IE because the formatting > SUCKED for Communicator, and it > > wouldn't let me access the download in IE. But it > loaded fine in Communicator. > > > > http://www.fixup.net/tips/20gb/20gb.htm > > > > http://www.fixup.net/download/wd/ - this is the > EZBios image > > http://www.winimage.com/download.htm - here's > where > you get WinImage to create a floppy > > from the EZBios image. > > > > Remember, this will only work with WD and IBM > drives, > so if you don't have a Travelstar > > HD, you'll need to use EZBios on a desktop with a > WD > or IBM drive to get it to work > > (according to Xin's page). > > > > The problem I ran into was that the newer version of > EZBIOS on Xins site would not recognize my IBM, and > thus would not install. It was not until I found the > v9.09 that I finally got it to work. Something to do > with the newer Travelstar drives, primarily the ones > larger than 20gb. > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 35 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:26:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:20:01 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > >> I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD > L100/L110 > scenario, if you're > > going > > >> to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are > these > overlay programs > > totally > > >> redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve in such a scenario? > > > > > > They are redundant if you are ONLY going to run > Win2K. > > > If you are going to dualboot with Win95/98, > you'll > need them. > > > > One more, again for no reason other than idle > curiosity - what are the > > typical / most likely scenarios now where Win'95 > and/or Win'98 are > > preferrable to Win'2K on an L100/L110 with 64MB > and a > 20/30/40GB HDD? > > > > The only reason I have Win95 on mine is to run some > older programs I still use that will not run under > Win2K, and to still use the IR port the way it was > intended to be used. I can only fully backup or sync > my > PDA under Win95, as IR transfer does not work with > it > under Win2K. I also have a Canon BJC-80 IR printer > that > I drag around on long trips from time to time, and I > can only print to it under Win95 using IR, it will > not > work under Win2K, and Canon claims it not compatible > with Win2K for IR printing only. Thos are the main > reasons. Eventually I will no longer need some of > these > older programs and will do away with the Win95 > partition, and go to a strict Win2K setup. > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 36 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:58:53 +0000 > From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb > > >From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >I have a copy on my HDD, I can email it to someone > if > >they can take the size, or upload it to someone if > they > >can host it. Unfortunately I do not have the > capability > >to host it myself. Don't remember offhand just how > >large it is, I think around 1mb or so. > > I guess drCursor has given up on us. Would be a > great service for him to > archive it on his site. > > Matt (Shel) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > -------------------- 37 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:16:34 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > Ya got me ;-) > > > > Maybe for paranoid freaks that want to be able to > boot to Win98 if > > Win2K dies (oh wait, I'm normally one of those > paranoid freaks, > > I always partition 2Gig FAT for Win95/98 so I can > boot to DOS if > > necessary). > > I'm the same, hence I've still got my intact > Win'98/4.3GB HDD - but apart > from going back to retrieve my e-mail rules from the > registry, I've never > needed it. > > My boot-to-DOS option is as follows:- > > Start || Settings || Control Panel || System > System Properties || Advanced || Startup and > Recovery > System startup > -- Default operating system = [Microsoft Windows > 2000 Pro..." /fastdetect] > -- Display List of operating systems for: = > [checked] seconds: = [2] > > So when I boot, I get the option (just for 2 > seconds) to intervene, before > it proceeds with Win'2K automatically. > If I take the Win'98 option... because I don't have > Win'98 installed... it > boots instantaneously to a fully-functional DOS > prompt (although I've never > actually needed it). > And of course I can boot to DOS from a floppy too... > > > I always partition 2Gig FAT for Win95/98 so I can > boot to DOS if > > necessary). > > You mean 2Gig Fat16? > My first 8GB is Fat32... DOS appears to see that no > problem (in fact, it > sees all the partitions - ie the entire 30GB) - > could I have some problem > with that on the first (8GB) partition? > Is the FAT16 strategy safer/better for some reason? > > > > -------------------- 38 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:40 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > >> I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 > >> scenario, if you're going to run Win'2K as your > one > >> and only OS - are these overlay programs totally > >> redundant? And if not, what purpose would they > serve > >> in such a scenario? > > > > Primarily, I think you would have problems if you > had > > a total system crash and had to reboot from DOS to > fix > > it. At that point you could only see the 8gb, and > if > > the files you needed to fix whatever problem you > had > > were beyond that, they would be inaccessible. With > the > > overlay running, you could still access all your > other > > partitions in DOS. This is the only circumstance > that > > immediately comes to mind. > > Sounds to me like the overlay thing itself is > introducing > a significant level of FUD and increasing the > chances that > you're going to have the problems in the first > place... > > Wouldn't it be a lot simpler/safer/reliable just to > keep > all the troubleshooting/recovery stuff in the first > 8GB > than to do the overlay thing? > > > > -------------------- 39 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:47 +0700 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory > > > Winnt.exe will start the install, it helps a LOT > to run smartdrv before > > you do it though. > > Just curious(!!!)... why? > > > > > -------------------- 40 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:27:14 -0400 > From: "Gennadiy Tsygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > I have XP and I installed Recovery Console, which > allows to boot into > command prompt even on NTFS partition. I have FAT32, > so I can use boot > floppy too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:16:34 +0700 > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > > Ya got me ;-) > > > > > > Maybe for paranoid freaks that want to be able > to boot to Win98 if > > > Win2K dies (oh wait, I'm normally one of those > paranoid freaks, > > > I always partition 2Gig FAT for Win95/98 so I > can boot to DOS if > > > necessary). > > > > I'm the same, hence I've still got my intact > Win'98/4.3GB HDD - but apart > > from going back to retrieve my e-mail rules from > the registry, I've never > > needed it. > > > > My boot-to-DOS option is as follows:- > > > > Start || Settings || Control Panel || System > > System Properties || Advanced || Startup and > Recovery > > System startup > > -- Default operating system = [Microsoft Windows > 2000 Pro..." /fastdetect] > > -- Display List of operating systems for: = > [checked] seconds: = [2] > > > > So when I boot, I get the option (just for 2 > seconds) to intervene, before > > it proceeds with Win'2K automatically. > > If I take the Win'98 option... because I don't > have Win'98 installed... > it > > boots instantaneously to a fully-functional DOS > prompt (although I've > never > > actually needed it). > > And of course I can boot to DOS from a floppy > too... > > > > > I always partition 2Gig FAT for Win95/98 so I > can boot to DOS if > > > necessary). > > > > You mean 2Gig Fat16? > > My first 8GB is Fat32... DOS appears to see that > no problem (in fact, it > > sees all the partitions - ie the entire 30GB) - > could I have some problem > > with that on the first (8GB) partition? > > Is the FAT16 strategy safer/better for some > reason? > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > > > -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > > Reply to any of the list messages. 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And if not, what purpose would they > serve > > >> in such a scenario? > > > > > > Primarily, I think you would have problems if > you > had > > > a total system crash and had to reboot from DOS > to > fix > > > it. At that point you could only see the 8gb, > and if > > > the files you needed to fix whatever problem you > had > > > were beyond that, they would be inaccessible. > With > the > > > overlay running, you could still access all your > other > > > partitions in DOS. This is the only circumstance > that > > > immediately comes to mind. > > > > Sounds to me like the overlay thing itself is > introducing > > a significant level of FUD and increasing the > chances > that > > you're going to have the problems in the first > place... > > > > Wouldn't it be a lot simpler/safer/reliable just > to > keep > > all the troubleshooting/recovery stuff in the > first > 8GB > > than to do the overlay thing? > > Ultimately, I would think that would be fine in a > strict Win2K install, since Win2K has no problems > seeing the entire drive. Over time as the drive gets > used, becomes fragmented and I assume defragmented > by > any number of decent programs, some of the vital > data > may eventually migrate betond the 8gb boundary. > Still, > wouldn't really make a difference with Win2K since > it > does not have to be on a partition in the 8gb limit > to > boot, and I would assume that the boot partition > would > not be any larger than the 8gb anyway, and use the > remainder for storage or program install for the > less > frequently used stuff. > > Perhaps make a seperate partition with your recovery > info, and leave it static. Maybe even hide it, and > then > all you would need to do is unhide it and boot to > DOS, > and you are ready to restore, fix, whatever. > > I don't think I have heard of anyone having serious > problems with a Win2K only setup and no drive > overlay. > I think a lot of people are so used to using them > under > Win9x that they go ahead and install it anyway. I > have > not done so, so I cannot say for certain that this > is > correct, but it would make sense. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! > http://www.elvis.com > > > > > -------------------- 42 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 03:16:26 +0000 > From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB] > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sounds to me like the overlay thing itself is > introducing a > > >significant level of FUD and increasing the chances > that you're > going to > >have the problems in the first place... > > > > > > Wouldn't it be a lot simpler/safer/reliable just > to > > > keep all the troubleshooting/recovery stuff in > the first 8GB than > to > >do the overlay thing? > > >From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >I don't think I have heard of anyone having serious > >problems with a Win2K only setup and no drive > overlay. > >I think a lot of people are so used to using them > under > >Win9x that they go ahead and install it anyway. > > Have I missed something (with me there's a good > probability of these > things)? Are there alternatives for seeing the > whole > 8MB HDD for Win9.x > installations with Libs with this BIOS limitation? > > Matt (Shel) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > ************************************************************** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing > list > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail > should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace > any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > --------TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST------ > Do above but with this on subject line: > cmd:unsubscribe digest > ************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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