Re: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-27 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 28 2001 07:28 am, David Davies wrote: > So back to one of the questions in my original e-mail > > "Is this a practice that is intended to be prohibited?" > [under the OSD] I would say that registration fees are intended to be prohibited. > If so why isn't there a more specif

RE: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-27 Thread David Davies
On Wednesday, 28 March 2001 6:20 AM, David Johnson wrote -> > To allow the user to improve the software for themselves -> to suit there -> > environments. -> -> But you can do that without the software being Open Source. -> You do not need -> the approval of the OSI in order to make your so

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 28 2001 04:48 am, Robert Kolzan wrote: > To allow the user to improve the software for themselves to suit there > environments. But you can do that without the software being Open Source. You do not need the approval of the OSI in order to make your source code available. Th

RE: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Kolzan
To allow the user to improve the software for themselves to suit there environments. -Original Message- From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 5:36 AM To: David Davies; 'Eric Jacobs'; License-Discuss (E-mail) Subject: Re: Subscription/Service Fees

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 28 2001 03:51 am, David Davies wrote: > I can see no reason why a clause can not be added to the license that > states; > " x.1 If you continue to use this software or any derived work after a > thirty (30) day evaluation period you are required to register it. > x.2 Regist

RE: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Davies
On Wednesday, 28 March 2001 7:36 AM, Eric Jacobs wrote : -> > Violates #7: "The rights attached to the program must -> apply to all to -> > whom the program is redistributed without the need for -> execution of an -> > additional license by those parties". -> > -> > http://www.opensource.or

RE: Subscription/Service Fees - Netscape

2001-03-27 Thread David Davies
On Wednesday, 28 March 2001 7:25 AM, Karsten M. Self wrote: -> > > > Netscape was able to actively sell into those -> corporations in a very -> > > > interesting manner. "Since you already have our -> products and the -> > > > license says you are required to pay we suggest you pay us." -> >

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday March 27 2001 09:09 am, David Davies wrote: > Maybe I don't get some key part. > > I wasn't thinking of any form of copying restriction, only having it > clearly stated in the license that if you continue to use the software you > are required to pay $x to xyz inc. There's one key ele

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Seth David Schoen
David Davies writes: > Maybe I don't get some key part. > > I wasn't thinking of any form of copying restriction, only having it clearly > stated in the license that if you continue to use the software you are > required to pay $x to xyz inc. > > There is no way to stop user A giving it to user

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Eric Jacobs
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I wasn't thinking of any form of copying restriction, only having it > > clearly stated in the license that if you continue to use the software > > you are required to pay $x to xyz inc. > > > Nope. > > Violates #7: "The rights attached to the progra

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:38:34PM -0800, Ian Lance Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Netscape was able to actively sell into those corporations in a very > > > interesting manner. "Since you already have our products and the > > > license

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Netscape was able to actively sell into those corporations in a very > > interesting manner. "Since you already have our products and the > > license says you are required to pay we suggest you pay us." > > Support this statement with a citation

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 06:09:03PM +0900, David Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 9:44 AM, David Johnson wrote > > > > > On Tuesday March 27 2001 08:16 am, David Davies wrote: > > > It appears that the Open Source definition would not specifically > > > limit a lic

RE: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Davies
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 9:44 AM, David Johnson wrote -> -> On Tuesday March 27 2001 08:16 am, David Davies wrote: -> > It appears that the Open Source definition would not -> specifically limit a -> > license from requiring users to pay a subscription fee or -> month service fee -> > for us

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-27 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday March 27 2001 08:16 am, David Davies wrote: > It appears that the Open Source definition would not specifically limit a > license from requiring users to pay a subscription fee or month service fee > for using the software. Perhaps I am missing something? You can charge your customers