Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-20 Thread Rod Dixon
This is the issue I was hinting at. I do not believe that as a general matter that APIs should be copyrightable under U.S. copyright law since section 102(b) of the Copyright Act should exclude APIs from copyright subject matter. Having said that, I admit the issue seems unresolved since both

tomsrtbt license

2001-04-20 Thread Tom Oehser
Could I get feedback on whether the tomsrtbt license is amenable (aside from downside of 'yet another license')? *** * If you base something on it, use any of the scripts, distribute binaries or * * libraries from it,

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatible wit

2001-04-20 Thread Chloe Hoffman
In my view, an API is as much a collection of facts as your original message, as Stephen King's latest novel, etc. I think in most cases an API involves creative expression or at least some selection, arrangement or coordination of function names, parameter type(s) and return type(s) (of course

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatible wit

2001-04-20 Thread John Cowan
Chloe Hoffman wrote: I think the real question is not whether an API is copyrightable but how an API is infringed and what is a derivative work of an API. I agree. We now know that a house infringes its blueprints, but a cake does not infringe its recipe, so there is no general answer to

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-20 Thread Rod Dixon
I doubt whether we will resolve the copyrightability question. I think the better view is that an API is not copyrightable subject matter. I also think that viewing an API as such better serves the purposes of copyright law. Even so, I agree that the more important question is if you assume that

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatible wit

2001-04-20 Thread Chloe Hoffman
I am not sure I see how 102(b) should exclude APIs from copyrightable subject matter as an absolute matter. Surely some aspects of an API may fail because of various doctrines such as merger, scenes a faire, etc. (viz. sqrt()) but I am not sure I see how a full set of APIs should be excluded per

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatible wit

2001-04-20 Thread Angelo Schneider
Well, You can look it up in a standard law book I guess. I have that not at hand and not the time acctually to do it, I'm in a copyright case in court on monday still preparing my stand. Angelo Chloe Hoffman wrote: Not to sound harsh but..Do you have any support for these

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compa

2001-04-20 Thread Forrest J Cavalier III
"Chloe Hoffman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote pages./P PI think the real question is not whether an API is copyrightable but how an API is infringed and what is a derivative work of an API. You admit that some parts of the API would not qualify as original. Infringement would therefore depend on

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compa

2001-04-20 Thread Chloe Hoffman
From: "Forrest J Cavalier III" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compa Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:05:12 -0400 "Chloe Hoffman" wrote pages. I think the real question is not whether an API is

RE: tomsrtbt license

2001-04-20 Thread Dave J Woolley
From: Tom Oehser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] * no way supercedes or nullifies any other protections on the component parts * * such as the BSD and GPL copyrights which apply to practically everything!!! * It seems to me to mislead as to the copyright ownership, mislead as to the rights

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-20 Thread Rod Dixon
Those are very good thoughts, if I may say so. Rod On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chloe Hoffman wrote: I am not sure I see how 102(b) should exclude APIs from copyrightable subject matter as an absolute matter. Surely some aspects of an API may fail because of various doctrines such as merger,

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-20 Thread Rod Dixon
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chloe Hoffman wrote: Do you have any basis for the "better" view? Also, how does it better serve the purposes of copyright? Well, I said I *THINK* the better view is... In other words, I was expressing an opinion. The reason why I think it is the better view is because

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compa

2001-04-20 Thread Rod Dixon
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chloe Hoffman wrote: From: "Forrest J Cavalier III" As I suggested, infringement I think is the nub of the question - not copyrightability. In my view, there is certainly a significant difference from an infringement perspective, assuming no express or implied license

Is this better for tomsrtbt?

2001-04-20 Thread Tom Oehser
*** * This copyright in no way supercedes or nullifies any copyrights or licenses * * of the component parts, such as the BSD and GPL copyrights which cover many * * of the programs, which confer specific rights and

Re: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-20 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: I am sorry about joining the discussion late. This sounds interesting. Brian, do you mind clarifying your question without rehashing what has been discussed? I do not want to bore those who have followed the thread, but what do you mean by

Re: tomsrtbt license

2001-04-20 Thread David Johnson
On Friday April 20 2001 07:37 pm, Dave J Woolley wrote: From: Tom Oehser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] * no way supercedes or nullifies any other protections on the component parts * * such as the BSD and GPL copyrights which apply to practically everything!!! * It seems to me to

RE: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-20 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
I have a slightly different question about API's and copyrights. Suppose one has an API that acts as a specification for access to a library and perhaps a sample implementation. I dont care if someone creates another implementation of the API, in fact I want to encourage other people to do

Re: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-20 Thread Tom Hull
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: I am sorry about joining the discussion late. This sounds interesting. Brian, do you mind clarifying your question without rehashing what has been discussed? I do not want to bore those who have followed the