Re: serious?

2002-03-06 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
> all fun aside, I am serious about APOSSL and believe I have reacted > in a serious manner to all serious points made. > "Serious" means more than simply "not joking." John Cowan pointed out a major mistake in 1.0, which was totally the opposite of what you intended. If you were "serious" yo

Re: Off topic question re Export controls

2002-03-06 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 10:40 am, Bernard Nyman wrote: > 1. What are the export controls to which the above clause refers, and > where can I find details of them? The only export controls I am aware of that deal with software pertain to military grade encryption. I do not believe that Adobe

Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
At 5:52 PM -0500 6/3/02, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: >On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 04:59 p, dave sag wrote: > >>2. APOSSL is closest to the Apache licence. The Apache licence is >>insufficient for our needs as our mission is to promote pronoia, >>and pronoic attitudes in the minds of developers

Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-06 Thread Matthew C . Weigel
On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 04:59 p, dave sag wrote: > 2. APOSSL is closest to the Apache licence. The Apache licence is > insufficient for our needs as our mission is to promote pronoia, > and pronoic attitudes in the minds of developers who embrace and > extend our software. the specif

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
> > nice try but quines make sense. your response makes no sense. > > He made a small mistake: what he meant was... Alas, I did. Thanks for catching my mistake. I am ashamed to be so out classed by you and Rick. "Is the best response that came to me", is the best response that came to me.

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
okay, sorry to be a pedant. this will be the last post on this OT thread from me. At 4:27 PM -0500 6/3/02, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: >On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 03:41 p, dave sag wrote: > >>nice try but quines make sense. your response makes no sense. > >He made a small mistake: what he mea

request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
Hi OSSL experts, In my earlier posts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I failed to follow protocol and snagged myself on a couple of silly misunderstandings. For this I apologise. I have now followed from the list at http://www.opensource.org/docs/certification_mark.html and hope that this meets with yo

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Matthew C. Weigel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 1. It's still not a dessert topping, though. "Is not a dessert topping, but is more relevant to this list's charter than the pronoia licence" is not a dessert topping, but is more relevant to this list's charter than the pronoia licence. -- Che

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Matthew C . Weigel
On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 03:41 p, dave sag wrote: > nice try but quines make sense. your response makes no sense. He made a small mistake: what he meant was... "Will be rejected when approval is asked" will be rejected when approval is asked. "Is OK as long as you don't want our stamp o

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
well this is way off topic but At 3:04 PM -0500 6/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: >I wrote: > >> Here is the response I would give you about OSI approval >> for your license. >> >> "Your request will be rejected" is your request will be rejected. >> nice try but quines make sense. your r

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
I wrote: > Here is the response I would give you about OSI approval > for your license. > > "Your request will be rejected" is your request will be rejected. > I thought of another appropriate response... "We will refuse when you ask" is we will refuse when you ask. And another... "We w

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Forrest J Cavalier III
> What does "quine'd" mean? > http://www.ship.edu/~deensl/pgss/Day16/goedel.html (I admit I used the term loosely to describe a statement which can be read as a self-reference at more than one level that creats a contradiction.) Here is the response I would give you about OSI approval for you

Off topic question re Export controls

2002-03-06 Thread Bernard Nyman
  I hope you don't mind me e-mailing you with an off-topic question on export controls, but I thought that this group would have people who are able to reply knowledgeably.  I am acting for a UK-based book publisher that is proposing to publish a book for programmers concerning a particular A

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Matthew C . Weigel
On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 12:43 p, dave sag wrote: > I get the idea that you feel that there should be as few OSSLs as > possible and are acting more as a review board than an > accreditation board. We are neither. We are a discussion board. The discussion tends towards, "another!?!?"

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Matthew C . Weigel
On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 07:23 a, dave sag wrote: > the basic ideas are as follows: > > APOSSL is a BSD style licence save for the following special points. > > * the name of the software should not include pronoic.org or > Pronoic Ltd. This is not a difference. "Neither the name of no

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
last summer we wrote some highly pronoic code now just needs licence VOTE yes to APOSSL cheers dave At 9:25 AM -0800 6/3/02, Rick Moen wrote: >Quoting dave sag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> * the software should be described as being pronoic unless you ask >> for permission to use the term prono

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
At 9:48 AM -0500 6/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: > > APOSSL is a BSD style licence save for the following special points. >> >> * the name of the software should not include pronoic.org or Pronoic Ltd. > >That makes it like the Apache license, I think. that's fine. > > >> * the softwa

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting dave sag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > * the software should be described as being pronoic unless you ask > for permission to use the term pronoic. in that case your request > will be denied. This is just... so Zen. A modest proposal as to form follows: The software should be Described as

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
> APOSSL is a BSD style licence save for the following special points. > > * the name of the software should not include pronoic.org or Pronoic Ltd. That makes it like the Apache license, I think. > > * the software should be described as being pronoic unless you ask > for permission to use t

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
At 5:23 PM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: > > in pseudocode >> >> clause 4 >> >> if (haveNoPermissionToUseterm("pronoic"))) { >> if (useterm("pronoic")) { >> noProblem(); >> } else { >> notInTheSpiritOfIt(); >> } >> } e