Re: how NOT to form a contract? (second try)

2002-09-04 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 04:11 pm, Bruce Dodson wrote: > I have in the past presented my license terms on the "License Agreement" > page provided by my install builder. This page has a note saying "if you > do not accept, you cannot install this software" I've seen that as well with the I

how NOT to form a contract? (second try)

2002-09-04 Thread Bruce Dodson
I have published software under an MIT-style License, and I don't know if that makes a good contract or not, but I get the feeling that it's pretty vague, and that I might be better off to treat it as a permission notice and not enter into contracts with all my users. This ties back to recent dis

RE: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content Application Server)

2002-09-04 Thread Robert Samuel White
The updated license is available at http://enetwizard.sourceforge.net/license.html and below. I believe this can be considered the "final revision" and as such ready for consideration by the OSI. eNetwizard Content Application Server License (Modified Artistic License) Preamble Copyright

RE: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content Application Server)

2002-09-04 Thread Robert Samuel White
Mahesh, I do not believe technically that the configuration wizard would suffice for the legal purposes the click-wrap is designed for... I believe this because you must first install the package on your system (it must be running on the server) before you can actually access the configuration w

Re: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content ApplicationServer)

2002-09-04 Thread Mahesh T Pai
Robert Samuel White wrote: > > I've been giving much thought to this, because eNetwizard is entirely > code-based, there is no installation module, so I cannot very well put it in > what has been called on this list as a "click-wrap"! Umm, I do not think that tis list has considered such kinds o

Re: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content Application Server)

2002-09-04 Thread Bruce Dodson
In one of my licenses, I use the phrase "the copyright holders and contributing authors" instead of my own name, in the disclaimers. The BSD license says "copyright holders and contributors", and the AFL goes one step further, saying "licensor, contributors, and copyright owners". (I think "lice

RE: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content Application Server)

2002-09-04 Thread Robert Samuel White
Well, the PHP License is not in the OSI-approved list, this is true. However, the disclaimer part is included in the Apache License (which is approved), so the disclaimer should not be the problem. And of course it's not the problem as we have been discussing it... You've brought up a good point

Re: discuss: Modified Artistic License (eNetwizard Content ApplicationServer)

2002-09-04 Thread Mahesh T Pai
Robert Samuel White wrote: > I agree that this should be changed; distributors of modified versions should > be able to disclaim their liability as well. (some semantic hair splitting first) Rather, it is the disclaimer which should disclaim distributors'/modifiers' liability. Disclaimers whic