[License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Ben Tilly
Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. Then by accident today I ran across http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html which claims the opposite, and cites actual court decisions

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Tom Callaway
On 08/14/2012 11:24 AM, Ben Tilly wrote: > Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar > articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were > abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. > > Then by accident today I ran across http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html > which

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 08/14/2012 11:52 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > Fedora used to spend a lot of time stressing out over this question, but > recently, after counsel with Red Hat Legal, we concluded that if someone > is explicitly and clearly abandoning their copyright on a work (as in > CC-0, for example), treating th

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:10:49PM -0400, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > On 08/14/2012 11:52 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > > Fedora used to spend a lot of time stressing out over this question, but > > recently, after counsel with Red Hat Legal, we concluded that if someone > > is explicitly and clearly aba

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Richard Fontana (rfont...@redhat.com): > I believe I am the counsel Tom is referring to, though the Fedora > policy conclusion Tom refers to was prepared by Tom. Nevertheless I > would see it as Fedora adopting more or less the liberal and pragmatic > view I have had on this subject for a

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com): > Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar > articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were > abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. > > Then by accident today I ran across http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html > which cl

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Tom Callaway
On 08/14/2012 02:22 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > I've responded that of course I might be wrong, but not for non-sequitur > reasons like that. It's funny how many people cannot seem to grasp that > corporate counsel's job is to protect company legal interests, not make > pronouncements on points of lega

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:22:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Richard Fontana (rfont...@redhat.com): > > > I believe I am the counsel Tom is referring to, though the Fedora > > policy conclusion Tom refers to was prepared by Tom. Nevertheless I > > would see it as Fedora adopting more or le

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Richard Fontana (rfont...@redhat.com): > Yes. I agree with you that 'public domain' is a misnomer (but no more > than, say, the use of 'proprietary' to mean 'not free-as-in-freedom > software'). FWIW, I feel the latter has domain-specific meaning, here; i.e., that 'proprietary' functions

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Karl Fogel
Ben Tilly writes: >Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar >articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were >abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. > >Then by accident today I ran across http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html >which claims the opposite, and cit

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com): > Indeed. If the question is: "Is this legally possible?", the answer > might very well be "No", "Yes", or "Maybe", depending on the situation, > the jurisdiction, and the case law at the time you ask the question. This is what I tried to get across on

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Oleksandr Gavenko
On 2012-08-14, Ben Tilly wrote: > Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar > articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were > abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. > > Then by accident today I ran across http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html > which claims th

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Travers
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 08/14/2012 11:24 AM, Ben Tilly wrote: >> Based on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6225 and similar >> articles, I'd long believed that a declaration that you were >> abandoning copyright was a meaningless farce. >> >> Then by accident t

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread John Cowan
Chris Travers scripsit: > I don't see how copyright can be enforced when it is both explicitly > disclaimed and the link with the author is severed. There would be no > way to enforce it, nobody to go after for implicit warranties, etc. You could claim that it was illicitly published without you

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 08/14/2012 11:43 PM, Chris Travers wrote: > I don't see how copyright can be enforced when it is both explicitly > disclaimed and the link with the author is severed. There would be no > way to enforce it, nobody to go after for implicit warranties, etc. > After all it would be like asking whe

Re: [License-discuss] Can copyrights be abandoned to the public domain?

2012-08-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Chris Travers (ch...@metatrontech.com): > I would assume that if you release anonymously and explicitly disclaim > copyright, that the code can be effectively public domain. If you would trust the provenance of code like that, you're a braver man than I am. -- Cheers,