Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-27 Thread Russell Nelson
Guilherme C. Hazan writes: > > Just read carefully their page: > > http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm > Sure, but why the OSI logo at the main page??? It isn't not anymore. -- --My blog is at angry-economist.russnelson.com | You know you have a Crynwr sells suppor

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread jcowan
Rod Dixon scripsit: > I think Larry will have to answer your question authoritatively. In my > opinion, the distinctions assumed by your question are impertinent. OSI > has the legal authority to control the use of its certification trade mark > within the parameters it sets forth. If they say und

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread Rod Dixon
I think Larry will have to answer your question authoritatively. In my opinion, the distinctions assumed by your question are impertinent. OSI has the legal authority to control the use of its certification trade mark within the parameters it sets forth. If they say under condition X, vendor Y is n

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Eugene Wee wrote: > Alex Rousskov wrote: > > Where does it say that "OSI certified" mark cannot be used with a BSD > > license text titled "Foo Open License v1.2"? > > I suppose that might be: > "Use of these marks for software that is not distributed under an OSI approved > li

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread Eugene Wee
Alex Rousskov wrote: Where does it say that "OSI certified" mark cannot be used with a BSD license text titled "Foo Open License v1.2"? I suppose that might be: "Use of these marks for software that is not distributed under an OSI approved license is an infringement of OSI's certification marks

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread clay graham
>used with their permission. The permission required is described um, i think this could be misunderstood. you don't need thier *permission* you need to meet the guidelines that they require. this does not require written permission per se (at least that I can find) as long as you are distributing

RE: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-07 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > If those licenses are not approved by OSI, they may not use our > certification mark. We don't care what they "look like." Does OSI approve the text of the license, the title of the license, or a combination of the text and the title? Where does it say

RE: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread clay graham
ED] > www.rosenlaw.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Alex Rousskov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:42 PM > > To: Guilherme C. Hazan > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Why "open-source" m

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
"Guilherme C. Hazan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What we need to do to place the logo at our site? Just get it and put in the > html? The logo is trademarked by the Open Source Initiative. It may only be used with their permission. The permission required is described here: http://opensou

RE: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
.com > -Original Message- > From: Alex Rousskov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:42 PM > To: Guilherme C. Hazan > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"? > > > On Thu, 6 M

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread jcowan
Guilherme C. Hazan scripsit: > But GlueCode's license is OSI-certified and their license is clearly > distribution-limited: > http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm Simple. Their license is *not* OSI certified and they are misusing the logo under false pretenses. (Their proprie

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Fabian Bastin
Guilherme C. Hazan wrote: Hi, Just read carefully their page: http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm ESL: Enterprise Source License OSL: OEM Source License None is an OSI approved license. In particular, the Enterprise Source License is certainly not open-source since it does not

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi Alex > > Can i also create a license that is not OSI and place the logo at > > the main page? That could make my users happy. ;-D > > Only if you also distribute some software, to some users, under OSI > license, I guess. That makes sense. But what we think when we see the logo in the site is

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Guilherme C. Hazan wrote: > Can i also create a license that is not OSI and place the logo at > the main page? That could make my users happy. ;-D Only if you also distribute some software, to some users, under OSI license, I guess. I do not see a direct answer to your questio

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Fabian Bastin wrote: > Just read carefully their page: > http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm > > ESL: Enterprise Source License > > OSL: OEM Source License > > None is an OSI approved license. We do not know what OEM Source License is. It could be a BSD lic

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Fabian Bastin
Just read carefully their page: http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm ESL: Enterprise Source License OSL: OEM Source License None is an OSI approved license. In particular, the Enterprise Source License is certainly not open-source since it does not allow to distribute modified ve

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi, > Just read carefully their page: > http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm > > ESL: Enterprise Source License > > OSL: OEM Source License > > None is an OSI approved license. In particular, the Enterprise Source > License is certainly not open-source since it does not allow to

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Guilherme C. Hazan wrote: > > The paragraphs you seem to be referring to are not licenses. They only > > refer to OSL and ESL licenses. > > What does OSL and ESL stands for? Enterprise Source License and OEM Source License. I am guessing these are Gluecode-invented names. I

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi, > The paragraphs you seem to be referring to are not licenses. They only > refer to OSL and ESL licenses. What does OSL and ESL stands for? thx guich -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Guilherme C. Hazan wrote: > > I do not see a license on their web site. What GlueCode's license is > > OSI-certified? > > Do you recognise the green icon at left? > http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/index.html > > See the orange menu? Click the last link: "open source licens

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
> I do not see a license on their web site. What GlueCode's license is > OSI-certified? Do you recognise the green icon at left? http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/index.html See the orange menu? Click the last link: "open source licensing" Read it. Isnt it distribution-limited? regards

Re: Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
I do not see a license on their web site. What GlueCode's license is OSI-certified? Alex. On Thu, 6 May 2004, Guilherme C. Hazan wrote: > Hi, > > Since my last thread was little deturped from the main question, i'm > starting another one. > So, people stated that "open-source" is "free to distr

Why "open-source" means "free to distribute"?

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi, Since my last thread was little deturped from the main question, i'm starting another one. So, people stated that "open-source" is "free to distribute". But GlueCode's license is OSI-certified and their license is clearly distribution-limited: http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensi