Re: [Lightning-dev] Two-party eltoo w/ punishment

2022-12-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 02:14:06PM -0500, Antoine Riard wrote: > > - 2022-10-21, eltoo/chia: > https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/1583122833932099585 > On the eltoo/chia variant, from my (quick) understanding, the main > innovation aimed for is I'd say the main innovation aimed for is just

Re: [Lightning-dev] Jamming mitigation call

2022-12-08 Thread Clara Shikhelman
Hi Antoine, Thanks for your input. The first item is there because we agreed to start where we left off at the end of the last meeting. About your comments on the other items – I think they are very interesting, but you should probably write them in the relevant thread. Let's keep this for

Re: [Lightning-dev] Jamming mitigation call

2022-12-08 Thread Antoine Riard
Hi Clara, Thanks for rolling the ball forward. On the agenda, a few more thoughts. > 1. Which parameters should be considered in reputation-based solutions? I think before thinking about the parameters of reputation-based solutions, we should discuss the security goal we're aiming to achieve

Re: [Lightning-dev] Two-party eltoo w/ punishment

2022-12-08 Thread Greg Sanders
Antoine, > While the 2*to_self_delay sounds the maximum time delay in the state publication scenario where the cheating counterparty publishes a old state then the honest counterparty publishes the latest one, there could be the case where the cheating counterparty broadcast chain of old states,

Re: [Lightning-dev] Two-party eltoo w/ punishment

2022-12-08 Thread Antoine Riard
Hi AJ, The eltoo irc channel is ##eltoo on Libera chat. > - 2022-10-21, eltoo/chia: https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/1583122833932099585 On the eltoo/chia variant, from my (quick) understanding, the main innovation aimed for is the limitation of the publication of eltoo states more than

Re: [Lightning-dev] Jamming mitigation call

2022-12-08 Thread Clara Shikhelman
Hi all, The agenda for next week's meeting (Monday the 12th, 7 pm UTC) is the following: 1. Which parameters should be considered in reputation-based solutions? 2. Circuitbreaker [1] 3. Onion relay network [2] and its potential uses. The link to the call: https://meet.jit.si/UnjammingLN See

Re: [Lightning-dev] Unjamming lightning (new research paper)

2022-12-08 Thread Clara Shikhelman
Hi Matt, > Indeed, it may be explainable, but its still somewhat painful, I think. I > do wonder if we can enable > probing via a non-HTLC message and do immediate pre-send-probing to avoid > paying upfront fees on > paths that will fail. > > This could be a good idea, but I think that it