Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-30 Thread Matt Corallo
> On Jun 28, 2022, at 19:11, Peter Todd wrote: > > Idle question: would it be worthwhile to allow people to opt-in to their > payments happening more slowly for privacy? At the very least it'd be fine if > payments done by automation for rebalancing, etc. happened slowly. Yea, actually, I

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-30 Thread Christian Decker
Matt Corallo writes: > On 6/28/22 9:05 AM, Christian Decker wrote: >> It is worth mentioning here that the LN protocol is generally not very >> latency sensitive, and from my experience can easily handle very slow >> signers (3-5 seconds delay) without causing too many issues, aside from >>

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-28 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 11:31:54AM -0400, Matt Corallo wrote: > On 6/28/22 9:05 AM, Christian Decker wrote: > > It is worth mentioning here that the LN protocol is generally not very > > latency sensitive, and from my experience can easily handle very slow > > signers (3-5 seconds delay) without

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-28 Thread Matt Corallo
On 6/28/22 9:05 AM, Christian Decker wrote: It is worth mentioning here that the LN protocol is generally not very latency sensitive, and from my experience can easily handle very slow signers (3-5 seconds delay) without causing too many issues, aside from slower forwards in case we are

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-28 Thread Christian Decker
Olaoluwa Osuntokun writes: >> Rene Pickhardt brought up the issue of latency with regards to >> nested/recursive MuSig2 (or nested FROST for threshold) on Bitcoin >> StackExchange > > Not explicitly, but that strikes me as more of an implementation level > concern. As an example, today more nodes

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-27 Thread Michael Folkson via Lightning-dev
Thanks for the summary Laolu, very informative. > One other cool topic that came up is the concept of leveraging recursive > musig2 (so musig2 within musig2) to make channels even _more_ multi-sigy. A minor point but terminology can get frustratingly sticky if it isn't agreed on early. Can we

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-23 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
Hi Michael, > A minor point but terminology can get frustratingly sticky if it isn't > agreed on early. Can we refer to it as nested MuSig2 going > forward rather than recursive MuSig2? No strong feelings on my end, the modifier _nested_ is certainly a bit less loaded and conceptually simpler,

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-15 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER
Hey Zman and list, I don't think waxwing's proposal will help us for private gossip. The rate-limiting it provides doesn't seem to be enough in our case. The proposal rate-limits token issuance to once every N blocks where N is the age of the utxo to which we prove ownership of. Once the token is

Re: [Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-14 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
> ## Lightning Gossip > > # Gossip V2: Now Or Later? > A proposal for the "re-design the entire thing" was floated in the past by > Rusty [6]. It does away with the strict coupling of channels to channel > announcements, and instead moves them to the _node_ level. Each node would > then

[Lightning-dev] LN Summit 2022 Notes & Summary/Commentary

2022-06-07 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
Hi y'all, Last week nearly 30 (!) Lightning developers and researchers gathered in Oakland, California for three day to discuss a number of matters related to the current state and evolution of the protocol. This time around, we had much better representation for all the major Lightning Node