Re: [Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-11-12 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER
Hey Laolu, Looks like HORNET is back in the game in many recent threads ;) However the recent paper shared on the tor-dev mailing list [1] mentions that HORNET and other onion sessions might be a lot less secure than we thought...so I'd wait for more academic results before including such a big ch

Re: [Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-11-12 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER
Hi Antoine, This delegation trades hardware requirements against privacy leaks > and higher fees. And we also have now to re-design privacy mechanism > to constitue an anonymous network on top of the network one. Rendez-vous > is one of them, multipe-trampoline hops another one. > I'm not sure I

Re: [Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-11-05 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
Hi t-bast, > She creates a Bolt 11 invoice containing that pre-encrypted onion. This seem insufficient, as if the prescribed route that Alice selects fails, then the sender has no further information to go off of (let's say Teddy is offline, but there're other pats). cdecker's rendezvous sketch u

Re: [Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-10-27 Thread Antoine Riard
Hi, Design reason of trampoline routing was to avoid lite nodes having to store the whole network graph and compute long-hop route. Trick lays in getting away from source-base routing, which has the nice property to hide hop position along the payment route (if we forget payment hash correleation)

Re: [Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-10-25 Thread Corné Plooy via Lightning-dev
Cool: non-source rendez-vous routing. Getting closer to 2013 Amiko Pay, with the added experience of 2019 Lightning with Sphinx routing and AMP. https://cornwarecjp.github.io/amiko-pay/doc/amiko_draft_2.pdf (esp. section 2.1.3) Please forgive the use of the term "Ripple". 2013 was a different ti

[Lightning-dev] Rendez-vous on a Trampoline

2019-10-22 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER
Good morning everyone, Since I'm a one-trick pony, I'd like to talk to you about...guess what? Trampoline! If you watched my talk at LNConf2019, I mentioned at the end that Trampoline enables high AMP very easily. Every Trampoline node in the route may aggregate an incoming multi-part payment and