PATCH: Doc: Clarify \relative inside \repeat issue.

2010-04-28 Thread Mark Polesky
It struck me that there are more options for dealing with the \relative inside \repeat issue. Can someone look over this to make sure I'm not doing anything sacrililygious? - Mark From c3fad3258734b7632d9e7cde7bb414ca07d593fe Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Mark Polesky

Re: PATCH: Doc: Clarify \relative inside \repeat issue.

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:39:27PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: It struck me that there are more options for dealing with the \relative inside \repeat issue. Can someone look over this to make sure I'm not doing anything sacrililygious? As usual, I have no insights about the content, but in

Re: Overriding tagline in a custom init file?

2010-04-28 Thread -Eluze
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: So, do you have any idea how I can override the header and paper blocks in a global init file? i have copied the whole init.ly to myInit.ly and then added *\include myPaper.ly* right after the \maininput line (nr. 25 in version 2.13.18) and then invoked

please add patches to the tracker if they're getting lost

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
If a patch is not being actively discussed, please add it to the tracker. My memory is becoming increasingly faulty; I made the last two releases with waiting for patches that I told myself I should wait for (David's lilypond-book patch, and... I can't remember the other one). A few months ago,

Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, you can't put non-chorded material in between, relative mode is not possible (like for chord

Re: please add patches to the tracker if they're getting lost

2010-04-28 Thread Marek Klein
Hi Graham, 2010/4/28 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca A few months ago, Marek voluteered to record patches. The guideline is that if there was no activity for 3 days, he'd add it to the tracker. Marek, are you still willing to do this? Yes, I am. It is not clear enough in every

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham et al, Talking about http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 problem with order of \consists 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and timing_translator (or whatever Werner was talking about on 673). I know we've already said there order may matter;

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
WTM? Based on Werner's specific problem: Default_bar_line_engraver must come before Timing_translator This last one is easy to determine by looking at [only] the IR: under defaultBarType it says This variable is read by [...] Timing translator”. Actually, it turns out the opposite is

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi Graham et al, Talking about http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 problem with order of \consists 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and timing_translator (or whatever Werner was talking about on

MusicXML importer

2010-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Have you seen this announcement on planet.gnu.org? Werner == GNU Denemo participates in Google's Summer of Code 2010 with one project: A MusicXML Importer. Google Summer of Code is a global program that offers student

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 6:41 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi Graham et al, Talking about http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 problem with order of \consists 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 5:38 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, you can't put non-chorded material in

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 12:38, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: That's not enough of a distinction to keep it around.  Just let normal music mode accept chords with : notation, and \chordmode is unnecessary and can be deprecated. How would you distinguish between chords and tremolos? \notemode {

Re: MusicXML importer

2010-04-28 Thread Nils Gey
Yes, we're doing it. The project includes to make use of whatever lilypond has to offer with its own importer. Nils Denemo On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: Have you seen this announcement on planet.gnu.org? Werner

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: What effect would this have on the parser? I have only taken a cursory look so far. When entering chordmode, something records the chord names and the pitch names, and some grouping is involved. I think that I like this idea, even though I didn't at

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com writes: On 28 April 2010 12:38, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: That's not enough of a distinction to keep it around.  Just let normal music mode accept chords with : notation, and \chordmode is unnecessary and can be deprecated. How would you distinguish

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: On 4/28/10 6:41 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [...] And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be applied), then Lilypond can actually do the

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 18:02:56 schrieb David Kastrup: Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better choice. Oh, really??? In all the classical orchestra scores that I have looked at (and I have

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 13:41, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be applied), then Lilypond can actually do the required sorting and figure out a proper order at

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:30:29PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be applied), then Lilypond can actually do the

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 13:36, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Can anyone explain to me what's going on here, and why the comments in IR appear to suggest the opposite of what's actually happening? The comment is obsolete: defaultBarType isn't set by any engraver (it's a user

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com writes: Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 18:02:56 schrieb David Kastrup: Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better choice. Oh, really??? Yup. In all the

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: In Carl's defense, he's horribly busy with end-of-term teaching (which always penalizes one's real work, namely research) and then has a conference to deal with. When we deal with open-source volunteer projects while we have that much stress

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \notemode { c4:8 } - two quaver stem tremolo Ugh.  Did not remember that. Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better choice.  There is already verbose syntax

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, 1. I also disagree with David's statement/opinion that chords are much more common than tremolos. This is certainly true in the pop (e.g., music theatre) scores I compose/arrange/engrave, but absolutely false in the classical scores I compose/arrange/engrave. Since I do roughly equal

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 11:15 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: In Carl's defense, he's horribly busy with end-of-term teaching (which always penalizes one's real work, namely research) and then has a conference to deal with. When we deal with

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: This is what I was assuming when I wrote my initial response. It seemed like a good idea for somebody to do, not an offer of somebody wanting to make the change. Now, I was wrong in jumping to that assumption and responding accordingly. But it

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: 1. I also disagree with David's statement/opinion that chords are much more common than tremolos. This is certainly true in the pop (e.g., music theatre) scores I compose/arrange/engrave, but absolutely false in the classical scores I

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement. I'd have expected don't change current tremolo syntax. c...@8 has some mnemonic value (play a quarter at eighths, oops sounds like a time). But I don't like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? c4/8 can be

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 20:15:00 schrieb David Kastrup: But I don't like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? Unfortunately, it's already in use. How would you distinguish the two currently possible syntaxes: c2*3/8 c2*3:8 Cheers, Reinhold --

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement. I'd have expected don't change current tremolo syntax. c...@8 has some mnemonic value (play a quarter at eighths, oops sounds like a time). But I don't like its look.

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com writes: Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 20:15:00 schrieb David Kastrup: But I don't like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? Unfortunately, it's already in use. How would you distinguish the two currently possible syntaxes: c2*3/8

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 20:48, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: So I think we can come up with something that is both typographically simple and mnemonically compelling… How about c4t8 (a c quarter note, tremolo-d in eighths). I don't

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have expected don't change current tremolo syntax. �...@8 has some mnemonic value (play a quarter at eighths, oops sounds like a time).  But I don't like its look.  Would you consider c4/8 an

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com writes: 2010/4/28 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have expected don't change current tremolo syntax. �...@8 has some mnemonic value (play a quarter at eighths, oops sounds like a time).  But I don't

Re: Doc: Reorganize music functions material. (issue970044)

2010-04-28 Thread n . puttock
http://codereview.appspot.com/970044/diff/1/3 File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/970044/diff/1/3#newcode3641 Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:3641: @ref{Music function type predicates}. There's a danger here that users might

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com writes: On 28 April 2010 20:48, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: So I think we can come up with something that is both typographically simple and mnemonically compelling… How about c4t8 (a c quarter

Re: PATCH: Eliminate PDF deletion in Windows

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/27/10 10:49 PM, Nathan Reed nathaniel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Lilypond would attempt to delete the output PDF before overwriting it in Windows (but no other platforms). This is unnecessary and causes problems with certain PDF viewers, e.g. Sumatra, where the PDF is kept open in a way

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 3:41 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com writes: 2010/4/28 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have expected don't change current tremolo syntax. �...@8 has some mnemonic value (play a

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Does LilyPond use ;?  I can't find a use for it in the index, and I can't think of one. '?' is used for cautionary accidentals. I'm not a dev but I think ';' is used to express comments in Scheme (not in LilyPond however). Not so easy... -- Xavier

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 4:21 PM, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/28 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Does LilyPond use ;?  I can't find a use for it in the index, and I can't think of one. '?' is used for cautionary accidentals. I'm not a dev but I think ';' is used to express

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: On 4/28/10 3:41 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: My current approach is what would look best for both tremolo and chords since the conflict has to be resolved in some manner or other. If there is a particular good combination that is downwards

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 08:31:11AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Graham et al, From the header comments in IR: -snip lots of good data- And have you decided whether this should just go in the @knownissues on that page, or should it be a separate section? James, once we have an answer,

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:15:23PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: When we deal with open-source volunteer projects while we have that much stress in our lives, we all get short-tempered. I'm certain that you can think of examples from my

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:45:10AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: c4;7 does not really look anything like a chord. Neither does c4:7, to be honest. So at best slightly worse. Trying to channel Han-Wen here, I think the discussion is going in the wrong direction. It started off with a few

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Jay Anderson
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: Current syntax (using colons):  c4:16 d4: e: f: |  g: a: b: c: |  % etc. with \repeat tremolo:  \repeat tremolo 4 c16 \repeat tremolo 4 d16    \repeat tremolo 4 e16 \repeat tremolo 4 f16 |  \repeat tremolo 4 g16

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
David Kastrup dak at gnu.org writes: Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, You can do this: \context Voice { \chordmode {c}

[PATCH] Fix #943

2010-04-28 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hello, I've posted a patch to fix issue 943 from the tracker: http://codereview.appspot.com/956051/show I just finished a `make check', and everything seems to be okay. Please review. Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: [PATCH] Fix #943

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
LGTM. Carl On 4/28/10 9:04 PM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've posted a patch to fix issue 943 from the tracker: http://codereview.appspot.com/956051/show I just finished a `make check', and everything seems to be okay. Please review. Thanks, Patrick

Re: Fix #915 (faulty full-bar rest positioning with clef). (issue931041)

2010-04-28 Thread pnorcks
LGTM. Thanks, Patrick http://codereview.appspot.com/931041/show ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Fix #915 (faulty full-bar rest positioning with clef). (issue931041)

2010-04-28 Thread pnorcks
On 2010/04/19 21:13:14, Neil Puttock wrote: On 2010/04/19 19:37:12, Carl wrote: Should the name of this property be something like ignore-prefatory-material? Actually, I've had a thought: instead of using booleans, it would probably make more sense (and allow finer control) to use a

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:45:10AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: c4;7 does not really look anything like a chord. Neither does c4:7, to be honest. So at best slightly worse. Trying to channel Han-Wen here, I think the discussion is going in