Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Benkő Pál
2010/9/22 Hans Aberg : > On 21 Sep 2010, at 21:31, Benkő Pál wrote: > >>> In algebraic terms, choose a neutral n between m and M. The total pitch >>> system will be i m + j M + k n, where i, j, k are integers. But the staff >>> system only has the pitches i' m + j' M. When taking the difference wit

Re: Wrong architecture on OSX

2010-09-21 Thread James Bailey
On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 9/21/10 4:51 PM, "Dénes Harmath" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> when trying to build LilyPond on OSX 10.6.4, I get the following error: >> >> /Users/thsoft/Development/lilypond/scripts/build/out/help2man >> out/lilypond-invoke-editor > out/lil

Re: Doc: NR 1.5.2: Clarify voice order; \shiftOn etc. (issue2226045)

2010-09-21 Thread markpolesky
Reviewers: Trevor Daniels, Message: New patch set uploaded. On 2010/09/21 07:44:52, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'm not particularly opposed to placing this in the NR, but it's not clear what you are suggesting here. Do you mean to leave the LM unchanged, or do you intend to remove or change the corr

Re: Wrong architecture on OSX

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 4:51 PM, "Dénes Harmath" wrote: > Hi all, > > when trying to build LilyPond on OSX 10.6.4, I get the following error: > > /Users/thsoft/Development/lilypond/scripts/build/out/help2man > out/lilypond-invoke-editor > out/lilypond-invoke-editor.1 > Traceback (most recent call last): >

Wrong architecture on OSX

2010-09-21 Thread Dénes Harmath
Hi all, when trying to build LilyPond on OSX 10.6.4, I get the following error: /Users/thsoft/Development/lilypond/scripts/build/out/help2man out/lilypond-invoke-editor > out/lilypond-invoke-editor.1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "out/midi2ly", line 63, in import midi ImportError

Ghostscript 9.0 released

2010-09-21 Thread Valentin Villenave
Greetings everybody, You may already have seen this, but just in case: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ghostscript-9-0-supports-ICC-profiles-1082459.html Ghostscript 0.9 has support for ICC profiles (which we couldn't care less about) but also makes more use of Freetype (which may be nice

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 21:31, Benkő Pál wrote: In algebraic terms, choose a neutral n between m and M. The total pitch system will be i m + j M + k n, where i, j, k are integers. But the staff system only has the pitches i' m + j' M. When taking the difference with the staff note, reducing the

Re: Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-21 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:23:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> The main reason I did not just push this as-is is that the changed >> example, though much more illustrative, is butt-ugly and does not appear >> to lead to sensible output with regard to the accidenta

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 9:28 AM, "Joseph Wakeling" wrote: > On 09/21/2010 04:52 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> However, I was wrong in my assumption that something about the key signature >> should determine which of the enharmonic equivalents should be used. >> Instead, it appears that the neighboring notes sho

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/21/2010 08:13 PM, Graham Percival wrote: >> Does that settle the matter adequately? :-) > > No, because it's not in the issue tracker. I'll put it there! Just checking that the source is adequate. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@g

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Benkő Pál
> In algebraic terms, choose a neutral n between m and M. The total pitch > system will be i m + j M + k n, where i, j, k are integers. But the staff > system only has the pitches i' m + j' M. When taking the difference with the > staff note, reducing the degree to 0, and taking away the sharps/fla

Re: NR 2.2.1 keyboards, staff changes

2010-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 04:09:42PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > [Graham: I know this is, or at least was, the policy, but I don't > see it in the CG.] I'll add it after the 2.14 alpha has finished building. I'm always leery of playing with git branches. Cheers, - Graham ___

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:55:52PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: > On 09/20/2010 05:27 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > Excellent reference! That book is frequently quoted on this list, so > > this should settle any question of "is it necessary". > > Does that settle the matter adequately? :-) No,

Re: Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:23:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > The main reason I did not just push this as-is is that the changed > example, though much more illustrative, is butt-ugly and does not appear > to lead to sensible output with regard to the accidentals. Suggestions > for improveme

Re: Line spacing inconsistency

2010-09-21 Thread Phil Holmes
"Phil Holmes" wrote in message news:i7an6l$sa...@dough.gmane.org... Is it a known feature that using the font sizing commands \teeny, \huge, etc., leads to inconsistent line spacing when compared with using fontsize? \markup { \teeny \column { "Teeny" "Teeny" "Teeny" } } \markup { \fontsi

Re: Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Polesky
David, I'm only going to comment on the formatting (and not the content), since I only have a minute here. > +(@rinternals{ApplyOutputEvent}). Its syntax is Add a colon after "Its syntax is". See here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/other-text-concerns > "@var{proc}",

Line spacing inconsistency

2010-09-21 Thread Phil Holmes
Is it a known feature that using the font sizing commands \teeny, \huge, etc., leads to inconsistent line spacing when compared with using fontsize? \markup { \teeny \column { "Teeny" "Teeny" "Teeny" } } \markup { \fontsize #-3 \column { "fontsize #-3" "fontsize #-3" "fontsize #-3" } } \

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 16:52, Carl Sorensen wrote: Here are scans from the relevant section of Stone's book. It explicitly *says* that natural+1/4 and sharp-1/4 are enharmonic equivalents, and that the notation for those pitches must be chosen with care. Another interpretation might be slight

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/21/2010 05:28 PM, Joseph Wakeling wrote: > Stone's guidance about the choice of accidentals is IMO something for > composers to consider rather than Lilypond. From a Lilypond point of > view, the issue should simply be: the composer can have the accidentals > s/he chooses. ... but ... thank

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/21/2010 04:52 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > However, I was wrong in my assumption that something about the key signature > should determine which of the enharmonic equivalents should be used. > Instead, it appears that the neighboring notes should govern in tonal music. > In atonal music, it doe

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/21/2010 04:42 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > This is not the nuance implied, since by your definition, > natural-uparrow (+1/4) and sharp-downarrow are the same, and you > clearly want them to mean something different. They are enharmonically the same pitch, which can be notated in two (symbo

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 14:16, Carl Sorensen wrote: It seems to me that the pitches natural+1/4 and sharp - 1/4 are the same pitch (i.e. enharmonic equivalents) and that it is appropriate to have either one represent the same pitch. Arab music uses E24 quarter-tone accidentals, though the actual

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Joseph Wakeling wrote: > >From a notational perspective, the first two numbers are used to > calculate the vertical staff position of the notehead, while the value > of the alteration is used to determine the accidental: e.g. (1,1,-1/2) > corresponds to the D-flat

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 16:05, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Yes - accidentals do not affect the degree: they are of degree zero. One can add notes and intervals on this abstract level, and the degrees add as well. In mathematics, a function f is called a homomorphism (of abelian groups) when f(0) = 0,

Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-21 Thread David Kastrup
The main reason I did not just push this as-is is that the changed example, though much more illustrative, is butt-ugly and does not appear to lead to sensible output with regard to the accidentals. Suggestions for improvement welcome. I think it important to clarify that \applyOutput does not f

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/21/2010 02:16 PM, Hans Aberg wrote: > Yes - accidentals do not affect the degree: they are of degree zero. One > can add notes and intervals on this abstract level, and the degrees add > as well. In mathematics, a function f is called a homomorphism (of > abelian groups) when f(0) = 0, f(x +

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/20/2010 05:27 PM, Graham Percival wrote: >> For arrowed quarter-tones the notation is described (and recommended) in >> Kurt Stone's book "Music Notation in the Twentieth Century". > > Excellent reference! That book is frequently quoted on this list, so > this should settle any question of

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 14:16, Carl Sorensen wrote: A sharp is M-m and a flat m-M. If I understand right, this is a key "trick" of your system, since such representations allow you to raise or lower the pitch without affecting the degree. So by extension, if we say that q is a quarter-tone, t

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 06:16:40AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 9/21/10 3:46 AM, "Joseph Wakeling" wrote: > > > but where/how in that system do we distinguish between for example > > natural + 1/4 and sharp - 1/4 ? Presumably the former is (m-q) > > whereas the latter is (M-m)+(q-m

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 3:46 AM, "Joseph Wakeling" wrote: > On 09/20/2010 03:41 PM, Hans Aberg wrote: >> A sharp is M-m and a flat m-M. > > If I understand right, this is a key "trick" of your system, since such > representations allow you to raise or lower the pitch without affecting > the degree. > > So b

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Sep 2010, at 11:46, Joseph Wakeling wrote: A sharp is M-m and a flat m-M. If I understand right, this is a key "trick" of your system, since such representations allow you to raise or lower the pitch without affecting the degree. Yes - accidentals do not affect the degree: they ar

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 09/20/2010 03:41 PM, Hans Aberg wrote: > A sharp is M-m and a flat m-M. If I understand right, this is a key "trick" of your system, since such representations allow you to raise or lower the pitch without affecting the degree. So by extension, if we say that q is a quarter-tone, to raise or l

Re: NR 2.2.1 keyboards, staff changes

2010-09-21 Thread Keith E OHara
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:09:42 -0700, Trevor Daniels wrote: Although this would seem to be a valuable addition to the Notation Reference, the policy is not to add bugs which are in the bug tracker to @knownissues. [...] as they would need to be removed as soon as they were fixed, often within

Doc: NR 1.5.2: Clarify voice order; \shiftOn etc. (issue2226045)

2010-09-21 Thread tdanielsmusic
I'm not particularly opposed to placing this in the NR, but it's not clear what you are suggesting here. Do you mean to leave the LM unchanged, or do you intend to remove or change the corresponding section there? Also, if it is to go in the NR it needs a separate section heading. At the moment

Re: targeting specific context ID's from within \layout?

2010-09-21 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:35 AM % Is there a way to target a specific context (eg. one of % several Staff contexts) from within the \layout block? I don't believe so. Modifying a single named context is the only reason for the continued existence of the ungainly \wit