Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Andrew Bernard
That can't be a tie because the second note would not have the accidental, in general. Gould is not always right in my view. Andrew On 26/09/2020 11:41 pm, Dan Eble wrote: What kind of grob would an editor expect here? a Tie because it connects notes of the same pitch, or a Slur because it

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 26/09/2020 à 15:41, Dan Eble a écrit : On Sep 26, 2020, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties over clef changes *do* happen and make sense sometimes... I

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 26 Sep 2020, at 20:58, Kevin Barry wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 19:30, Hans Åberg wrote: >> The notes d♯ to e♭ have different pitches in the staff notation >> system, which cannot express E12 enharmonic equivalents, so this >> is slur. So it should be a slur that looks li

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Kevin Barry
On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 19:30, Hans Åberg wrote: > The notes d♯ to e♭ have different pitches in the staff notation > system, which cannot express E12 enharmonic equivalents, so this > is slur. So it should be a slur that looks like slur. > > > > I disagree. For all practical purpose

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 26 Sep 2020, at 19:36, Dan Eble wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 13:11, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> >>> On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:50, Dan Eble wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 12:34, Hans Åberg wrote: > On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:04, Dan Eble wrote: > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 0

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 26 Sep 2020, at 19:56, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > The notes d♯ to e♭ have different pitches in the staff notation system, which cannot express E12 enharmonic equivalents, so this is slur. So it should be a slur that looks like slur. > > I disagree. For all practical purposes

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>>> The notes d♯ to e♭ have different pitches in the staff notation >>> system, which cannot express E12 enharmonic equivalents, so this >>> is slur. So it should be a slur that looks like slur. I disagree. For all practical purposes in standard classical music, enharmonic equivalents *do* sound

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Eble
On Sep 26, 2020, at 13:11, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> >> On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:50, Dan Eble wrote: >> >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 12:34, Hans Åberg wrote: >>> On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:04, Dan Eble wrote: > On Sep 26, 2020, at 09:41, Dan Eble wrote: > > What kind of grob would a

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Eble
On Sep 26, 2020, at 12:34, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:04, Dan Eble wrote: >> >>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 09:41, Dan Eble wrote: >>> >>> What kind of grob would an editor expect here? a Tie because it connects >>> notes of the same pitch, or a Slur because it connects notes at d

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 26 Sep 2020, at 18:04, Dan Eble wrote: > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 09:41, Dan Eble wrote: >> >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> >>> >>> Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE >>> edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrat

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2020-09-26 9:04 am, Dan Eble wrote: On Sep 26, 2020, at 09:41, Dan Eble wrote: On Sep 26, 2020, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties over clef changes

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 26 Sep 2020, at 14:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE > edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties > over clef changes *do* happen and make sense sometimes... > > I still think that LilyPond should

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Eble
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 09:41, Dan Eble wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >> >> Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE >> edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties >> over clef changes *do* happen and make

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 26/09/2020 à 14:55, Werner LEMBERG a écrit : Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties over clef changes *do* happen and make sense sometimes... I still think that LilyPond should support that,

Re: tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Eble
On Sep 26, 2020, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE > edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties > over clef changes *do* happen and make sense sometimes... > > I still think that LilyPond should

tie over clef change

2020-09-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Despite Gould's “incorrect” verdict, here is an example from an old UE edition of Liszt's “Liebestraum No. 1”, which demonstrates that ties over clef changes *do* happen and make sense sometimes... I still think that LilyPond should support that, handling the tie like a slur in this case. W

Re: Are lilypond output files subject to GPL?

2020-09-26 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 26/09/2020 à 01:11, Carl Sorensen a écrit : After our two-day break as requested by Jean, I thought I'd look for something definitive about the question raised by Karsten. I haven't found any cases where this question has been adjudicated, so we don't have the court's opinion on this. Howe

Re: Are lilypond output files subject to GPL?

2020-09-26 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development
Am Freitag, den 25.09.2020, 17:11 -0600 schrieb Carl Sorensen: > After our two-day break as requested by Jean, I thought I'd look for > something definitive about the question raised by Karsten. > > I haven't found any cases where this question has been adjudicated, so we > don't have the court's

Re: Run formatting tools

2020-09-26 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Freitag, den 25.09.2020, 21:14 +0200 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: > Le 25/09/2020 à 16:39, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : > > > Am Freitag, den 25.09.2020, 16:01 +0200 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: > > > Le 25/09/2020 à 15:48, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : > > > > Anyway, running black on all Python files gives th