2012/11/11 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
2012/11/11 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
Am 15.10.2012 11:55, schrieb Francisco Vila:
2012/10/15 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
But anyway, are there results from user-polls on other lists?
Yes, there are a few ones. They are mainly generic
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes:
I attach a text with the collected opinions. As I said, there is
nothing specifically syntax-specific. I would like to repeat the
experiment next year.
Sorry for the delay
1 Something confuse or uncoherent?
An user found that when doing
2012/11/12 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
The fundamental question for an user (and he thinks it is for all new
users, too) was to realize that lilypond is a programming
language. Every syntax is more or less complex, and it would be
useless to question it without a big amount of judgement
Some comments from my usage experience.
Am 12.11.2012 12:27, schrieb David Kastrup:
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes:
...
The fundamental question for an user (and he thinks it is for all new
users, too) was to realize that lilypond is a programming
language. Every syntax is
Am 15.10.2012 11:55, schrieb Francisco Vila:
2012/10/15 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
But anyway, are there results from user-polls on other lists?
Yes, there are a few ones. They are mainly generic complaints, not
specific syntax related. I will make a summary.
I don't want to be too pushy, but
2012/11/11 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
Am 15.10.2012 11:55, schrieb Francisco Vila:
2012/10/15 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
But anyway, are there results from user-polls on other lists?
Yes, there are a few ones. They are mainly generic complaints, not
specific syntax related. I will make a
Sorry for the delay :(
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Thomas Morley
thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
attached are the alphabetic sorted complains/suggestions about
LilyPond-syntax from german users.
Thanks! This is very valuable.
Where should we store these results? An email
Am 15.10.2012 11:15, schrieb Janek Warchoł:
Sorry for the delay :(
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Thomas Morley
thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
attached are the alphabetic sorted complains/suggestions about
LilyPond-syntax from german users.
Thanks! This is very valuable.
Where
2012/10/15 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de:
But anyway, are there results from user-polls on other lists?
Yes, there are a few ones. They are mainly generic complaints, not
specific syntax related. I will make a summary.
--
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote:
But anyway, are there results from user-polls on other lists?
Perhaps the results should be merged before raising issues?
That would be good. Unfortunately i didn't receive any feedback yet;
i know just a handful of polish
Am 06.10.2012 22:27, schrieb Thomas Morley:
Hi,
attached are the alphabetic sorted complains/suggestions about
LilyPond-syntax from german users.
Hi Harm,
thanks for your work – looks like you spent quite a lot of time
collecting *and*
presenting these issues!
It looks like some issues
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I also think that it will take more than a week to collect all user
feedback.
What about making a short survey in
2012/10/2 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com
wrote:
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I also think that it will take more than a week to collect all user
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes:
I translated the questions as Janek proposed and posted them at the
german LilyPond-Forum.
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1213.0
I've got many replies. Some of them are very interesting. I plan to
post a commented list of the
2012/10/2 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
Hey, has anyone translated/sent the survey? Should we re-take this
interesting initiative?
Definitely! There is no polish-speaking mailing list, but i know a
few polish users and i'll ask them.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Morley
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
On 26/09/12 09:19, Janek Warchoł wrote:
This is a good idea in itself, but i'm afraid we'll drown in the flood
of suggestions if we ask this question now. Currently we want to
focus on syntax alone.
On 27/09/12 16:44, Janek Warchoł wrote:
oh yes, that's on my list of difficult to express things for more
than a year.
Reading Keith Stone's contemporary music examples, you'll see there's a similar
issue for glissandi with a terminating pitch ... :-)
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
Actually, rather than what users find difficult (which I agree is
important in and of itself), perhaps it's better to take a different tack:
to try and prepare a systematic specification for the musical
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
Actually, rather than what users find difficult (which I agree is
important in and of itself), perhaps it's better to take a different tack:
to try and
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
Currently we want to focus on syntax alone.
If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Hard to do is a large problem class, and it is not necessarily clear
to
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
Currently we want to focus on syntax alone.
If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Hard to do is a large
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
To get back at the hammer analogy, users might ask for a
heavier hammer if they have problems getting screws in place. Or for a
more convenient way to enter/express xxx when they should not be
required to bother with xxx at
On 26/09/12 09:19, Janek Warchoł wrote:
This is a good idea in itself, but i'm afraid we'll drown in the flood
of suggestions if we ask this question now. Currently we want to
focus on syntax alone.
I do understand that, it's just that I think that proposals for syntax changes
make more
On 24/09/12 14:07, Janek Warchoł wrote:
I suggest to ask more for complaints than for ideas: what users find
confusing, inconvenient and difficult to express in Lily syntax. I
think this will be more valuable information than proposals let's
have a syntax like this.
Actually, rather than what
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Thomas Morley
thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote:
So I thought it might be an idea to start threads on national
lists/forums about it and after same time (a week?) collect and list
the complains, ideas, proposals.
I think this is a good idea.
I suggest to ask
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I also think that it will take more than a week to collect all user feedback.
What about making a short survey in English which we'll translate for
our lists? That would give coherency to the responses.
--
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I also think that it will take more than a week to collect all user feedback.
What about making a short survey in English which we'll translate for
our lists? That
On 23 September 2012 19:18, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Xavier,
Eluze suggested to contact you, being a native french-speaker.
Would you like to open a thread or start a poll on the
french-user-list about the topic described below in the quoted
section?
Hi
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
Good idea. For starters:
1) what do you find confusing in LilyPond syntax? For example, are
you sometimes uncertain in what order should you write code elements,
or what capitalization to use?
2) is there anything particularly unreadable or
2012/9/24 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I also think that it will take more than a week to collect all user feedback.
Likely.
Also, are we going to do something like this on general user list?
Why not?
2012/9/24 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com:
IMHO the discussion should not
Hi,
regarding all the GLISS-discussions, talking about topic x or topic
y I feel not sure we're discussing the _really_ important questions
for users, especially for beginners.
We all outstripped the starting-difficulties and we all are quite
familiar with the existing problems, maybe too much.
2012/9/23 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com:
Eluze, Federico, Francisco would you like to join this and post sth
similar on your national lists?
Yes, good idea. I think I'll do it.
--
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes:
regarding all the GLISS-discussions, talking about topic x or topic
y I feel not sure we're discussing the _really_ important questions
for users, especially for beginners.
We all outstripped the starting-difficulties and we all are quite
2012/9/23 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes:
regarding all the GLISS-discussions, talking about topic x or topic
y I feel not sure we're discussing the _really_ important questions
for users, especially for beginners.
We all outstripped the
Il 23/09/2012 15:08, Thomas Morley ha scritto:
So I thought it might be an idea to start threads on national
lists/forums about it and after same time (a week?) collect and list
the complains, ideas, proposals.
The advantage would be to reach a larger amount of users. And, not the
least
- but if he's not available I will try to do it.
and I wouldn't speak of national lists since most languages are spoken in
many different countries.
Eluze
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2012/9/23 eluze elu...@gmail.com:
Thomas Morley wrote
Werner suggested to start a poll about topics annoying, irritating,
hindering users.
So I thought it might be an idea to start threads on national
lists/forums about it and after same time (a week?) collect and list
the complains,
Hi Xavier,
Eluze suggested to contact you, being a native french-speaker.
Would you like to open a thread or start a poll on the
french-user-list about the topic described below in the quoted
section?
2012/9/23 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com:
Hi,
regarding all the
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