Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
Interesting discussion. And, being primarily a user and not (really) a developer, I hardly can wait to see where this will lead to. But I will be patient. The way I see it: The ideal case would be if a lilypond score that is converted to musicXML and then imported to some other music

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: But even with shortcomings, MusicXML would make it easier to convert/import Lilypond created scores to other programs. Post-editing may still be needed, but will much less work than when using MIDI export/import. I meant: will BE much less work

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: 2. Finale's and Sibelius' MusicXML import isn't 100% perfect either. Yes, when Finale exports a MusicXML file and then imports the same MusicXML file the result will be quite good. But I would not be surprised if importing MusicXML

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Ellis writes: That sounds encouraging.  So how far away are we from being able to handle a more realistic score, say a string quartet or a 4-part choral score with with lyrics and piano reduction?  Quite far. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Reinhold Kainhofer writes: I don't think it's that easy, in particular if you want to get output that you can send to a publisher without being thrown out of the office... I don't think this is a goal that anyone finds worthwile to work on or pay for. Consider the facts that --triggered by

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On Do., 25. Aug. 2011 09:11:49 CEST, Mike Solomon mike...@ufl.edu wrote: The issue with Finale and Sibelius exporting is user overrides.  I can drag a markup over the last note in my score to be in the position of the title and it'll look just fine in Finale, but LilyPond will have no clue

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Pierre THIERRY writes: [cc lilypond-devel] If memory serves, so far we have US$200, C$100 and €200. If I were to work alone on this bounty, that would allow me to allocate approximately 20hrs, which should clearly be enough to write a nice XML exporting in some schema mimicking Lilypond's

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Ellis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: Pierre THIERRY writes: [cc lilypond-devel] If memory serves, so far we have US$200, C$100 and €200. If I were to work alone on this bounty, that would allow me to allocate approximately 20hrs, which should clearly

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 23:33:02 schrieb Michael Ellis: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: It's only about an hour of work (see below) to convert a simple and prepared .ly score to musicxml, see below. That sounds encouraging. So how far away

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) export similar to MIDI generation, namely via translators that collect all events and all settings as they appear in the score. +1. KMac.

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Ellis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) export similar to MIDI generation, namely via translators

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/24/11 5:31 PM, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, Do you want 1) XML that captures only the music (and could be imported into some other program which will make the layout decisions)? No: this is trivial to obtain from #2 or #3, via XSLT. 2) XML that captures both the music and the layout (and could therefore be printed by some

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Do you want 1) XML that captures only the music (and could be imported into some other program which will make the layout decisions)? No: this is trivial to obtain from #2 or #3, via XSLT. You are using trivial like a mathematician,

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/24/11 6:00 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Carl, My question is this: In what format is the final, typeset music stream such that extracting the music information only would be massively easier than extracting the music and layout information? I don't

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
David, No: this is trivial to obtain from #2 or #3, via XSLT. You are using trivial like a mathematician, strictly interchangeable with doable. Actually, I was using trivial in two ways: 1. As a mathematician (yes, I've had several papers published in peer-reviewed journals), I was — as you