Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I've now reported the cartouche problem to bug-texinfo. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Maximilian Albert maximilian.alb...@googlemail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca; David Kastrup d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr; David Kastrup d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-08 Thread Maximilian Albert
Hi all, 2) list all environment variables used (both internally and externally) in the build system in the CG. Advantage: at least this knowledge is written down somewhere. Disadvantage: the list will not be kept up-to-date.  (don't argue; there's absolutely nothing you can say that will

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-08 Thread Wols Lists
On 08/08/11 21:36, Maximilian Albert wrote: I don't know anything about the build system, but isn't it possible to do this automatically? Say, if you rename all lilypond-related environment variables so that they start with LILY_ then why can't you say something like 'env | grep LILY_' and put

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 09:36:34PM +0100, Maximilian Albert wrote: P.S.: Since Graham mentioned getting rid of environment variables: only very recently have I started to appreciate the enormous value they have once you work on systems where things are just slightly different than what

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 01:22:54PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: Actually, I've just been looking at this, and your patch almost solves the problem - *if I change the correct file*. I already have texinfo installed on my system, and I noticed that when I run it, part of the output is

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 01:22:54PM +0100

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 07/08/2011 11:19, Phil Holmes disait : - Original Message - From: Graham Percival To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 01:22:54PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca; David Kastrup d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
make/lilypond-vars.make:TEXINPUTS=$(top-src-dir)/tex/:: So we're setting the location of the texinfo.tex file explicitly during make. Think this makes the issue invalid, but the feature is probably worth documenting with other make stuff - Graham? Is TEXINPUTS properly set in the

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org To: m...@philholmes.net Cc: lily...@orange.fr; d...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual make/lilypond-vars.make:TEXINPUTS=$(top-src-dir)/tex/:: So

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Is TEXINPUTS properly set in the documentation build script posted recently? No. I wasn't aware it existed until about 2 hours ago. :-) kpathsea, the library used by all TeX related programs to locate files within a texmf tree, has an awfully lot of such environment variables. A quick look

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 11:22:48AM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr (./usage.texi (/home/jcharles/GIT/Mentors/tex/texinfo.tex That looks good. git grep TEXINPUTS gives:

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-06 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: Would the following patch help? \envdef\cartouche{% + \ifvmode\the\everypar\fi % trigger headers \ifhmode\par\fi % can't be in the midst of a paragraph. \startsavinginserts \lskip=\leftskip \rskip=\rightskip I edited the texinfo.tex file

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com; Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: Would the following patch help

Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Holmes
Please see the attached image of page 2 of the LM. Anyone know why this collision occurs and how to fix it? -- Phil Holmes Bug Squad attachment: LearningMacOS.png___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

RE: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread James Lowe
in the Learning Manual ) ) ) Please see the attached image of page 2 of the LM. Anyone know why ) this collision occurs and how to fix it? ) )Looks like a bug in texinfo. Can you try to isolate this as much as possible? )What about using the most recent version of texinfo.tex (attached)? ) ) I'm

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org To: m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual Please see the attached image of page 2 of the LM. Anyone know why this collision occurs

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com To: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Ugliness in the Learning Manual Hello, )-Original Message- )From: lilypond-devel

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com To: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Ugliness in the Learning Manual Hello

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Where would I put the .tex file you supplied? (Unix novice). It's located in lilypond's `tex' source code directory. You would save the original one and use the new one. But please try David's patch first to check whether it works. Werner

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Where would I put the .tex file you supplied? (Unix novice). It's located in lilypond's `tex' source code directory. You would save the original one and use the new one. But please try David's patch first to check whether it works. I have not actually

Re: Ugliness in the Learning Manual

2011-08-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:12:23PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: )Looks like a bug in texinfo. Can you try to isolate this as much as possible? )What about using the most recent version of texinfo.tex (attached)? That would replace tex/texinfo.tex Nothing in the CG I can see. I think the