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2004-11-22 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Windows users should use jEdit. Actually, from choice I use PFE (Programmer's File Editor) :-) You can use what you want, of course. But I suggest you try jEdit with

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-21 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes We will create a beginner's guide to lilypond that shows the basics of lilypond with lily4jedit. Anyway to sum my opinion: Windows users shouldn't be directed to use your favorite text editor, because they don't have one.

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-19 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Thursday 18 November 2004 09.10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd think of an email-based (and for much money also phone-based) support for *users*, i.e people who don't want to be bothered with a compiler, but have to get work done. Ideally the questions

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-18 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd think of an email-based (and for much money also phone-based) support for *users*, i.e people who don't want to be bothered with a compiler, but have to get work done. Ideally the questions would be answered by persons who know lily in her deepest core,

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Ralph Little
Hi, Undeniably the mass market at the moment would look to be using Windoze as a platform. If we could see an end to dependance on Cygwin, that would (partly) open the door to mass acceptance of Lilypond by the general public. Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up for one-step

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Ralph Little wrote: Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up for one-step installation so that the Cygwin layer were packaged up with it, novice users would find it more acceptable. There is a way to package cygwin on a CD and preselecting packages by

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Ralph Little wrote: Hi, Undeniably the mass market at the moment would look to be using Windoze as a platform. If we could see an end to dependance on Cygwin, that would (partly) open the door to mass acceptance of Lilypond by the general public. Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up

RE: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Ralph Little
. -Original Message- From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 November 2004 13:14 To: Ralph Little Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development Ralph Little wrote: Hi, Undeniably the mass market at the moment would look to be using Windoze

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Mats Bengtsson wrote: Really? I've experienced many Windows programs that are much more tricky to install than cygwin. Do not underestimate the importance of a friendly dog telling you that the installer needs just a few more informations from you, like date of birth,

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Now when you can simply double-click on a file to process it, most windows users will only need to open the cygwin command window when they have upgraded LilyPond and have to run convert-ly. I know that feature requests shouldn't go to this mailing thread, but how about adding an option in the

RE: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Juergen Reuter
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Ralph Little wrote: ... However, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the biggest bridge to cross is the non-mousey nature of the software, which is doubly large for non-techy musicians that have not encountered programming work. This could be tackled by

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is what makes the difference between a good open source program and a successful good open source program. Do you have any concrete

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is what makes the difference between a good open source program and a

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Nicolas Sceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Make {} represent real lists in markup, and transform \markup { a b \bold { c d } e } in \markup \formatline { a b \bold c \bold d e } I'm starting to

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Make {} represent real lists in markup, and transform \markup { a b \bold { c d } e } in \markup \formatline { a b \bold c \bold d e } I'm starting to understand a couple of things about markups, I should

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 21.10, Johannes Schindelin wrote: Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is what

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 18.02, Juergen Reuter wrote: ... * Whenever an editing command on the command line is executed, the musical contents changes, i.e. the gnome canvas may need to be updated. In the very first approach, you would completely execute everything starting with

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-10 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 05 November 2004 13.49, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Hi there, with 2.4 just released, it is time to share what each of us is up to. In this post, I want to tell you about my plans for LilyPond for the coming time. I invite you all to follow this example, and post where you would like

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The development team should be present at the 2005 Linux Audio Developers Meeting (april 2005) in Karlsruhe. This requires writing a paper, which I plan to do myself. Nevertheless, interested writers are welcome to contact me, should they wish to attend as well. For example, it

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-09 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: example, it would be interesting to have a case-study of advanced LilyPond use. I have some examples of advanced LilyPond use here. Also enough material for a real case study? (Actually, I was trying to provoke

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-09 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 5-Nov-04, at 4:49 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: WEBSITE The current website is a lot better than we had; I'm glad it has some interesting articles, and that it refreshes a lot (basically, for every Lilypond release), but it

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GNOME BACKEND FOR POINT AND CLICK I would like to help on this (xDVI always crashes here, I don't have point and click working, besides with gnome backend). Cool! I think it's the most exciting thing currently on the

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-08 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Nov-04, at 4:49 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: WEBSITE The current website is a lot better than we had; I'm glad it has some interesting articles, and that it refreshes a lot (basically, for every Lilypond release), but it could be much more the center of a community. For this reason, I think

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-07 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GNOME BACKEND FOR POINT AND CLICK I would like to help on this (xDVI always crashes here, I don't have point and click working, besides with gnome backend). COMMUNICATION The development team should be present at the 2005 Linux Audio Developers

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 05:49, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I invite you all to follow this example, and post where you would like to steer LilyPond to. To keep the discussion focused, please respond with what you plan to contribute rather than what you want to have. I hope to be able to develop a