James E. Bailey jamesebailey at mac.com writes:
I don't understand this. Why aren't the last two eighth notes beamed
together?
\version 2.11.54
\relative { \clef bass {e8 d d c d8 c } \\ { c g4 g b f4}
f a c }
I think the answer is found in a known issue in the beams section:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Carl D. Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying to make a clear example for the GDP docs.
According to my understanding, Forbid_line_break engraver should eliminate
line breaks at measures where there is a tie generated by the
Completion_heads_engraver.
Robin
Many thanks for this. You've identified a definite source of confusion and
clearly put a lot of work into making it easy for me to clarify it. I
appreciate that. As Carl said, at present we are under some pressure to
change the docs where they are plain wrong and to add new sections
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:29:28 -0400
Kieren MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What can I do to help the docs project? At one point, we were
talking about me doing some large scale, real world examples ___
putting together a real tutorial on chord name changes, revamping
the examples on
Graham Percival wrote Friday, August 15, 2008 9:12 AM
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:29:28 -0400
Kieren MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What can I do to help the docs project? At one point, we were
talking about me doing some large scale, real world examples ___
putting together a real tutorial
Are the intructions in NR 2.2.1 Cross-staff stems, inadequate?
This doc section was rewritten very recently, so I'd hope that the docs
are correct on this point.
Cheers,
- Graham
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:45 +0100
Joseph Haig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some time ago I found a way of getting a
Thanks, that is perfect. I was missing \override Stem #'cross-staff
= ##t, which has presumably been added for 2.11.
2008/8/15 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Are the intructions in NR 2.2.1 Cross-staff stems, inadequate?
This doc section was rewritten very recently, so I'd hope that the
Hi Doc-tors!
Could you review the docs
Sure!
I would be surprised if the current finished sections did not
contain at least one inaccuracy -- to say nothing of omissions.
Sounds like a job for... me. =)
No one has yet looked at the templates at the end of the Learning
Manual.
Okay —
First observation: since the A.1 Single Staff templates are explicitly
named Notes only, Notes and lyrics, etc., I don't think there
should be a \midi{} block in the \score. That should be explained and
introduced in a separate section/template [with, perhaps, a small
explanatory note in the
Hi again,
Am I the only one that thinks
upper = { BLAH }
\new Staff = upper \upper
is potentially confusing? I think it's too easy for a newbie to infer
that the variable name and the context name need to match, which of
course is not true. If I were re-coding the A.2.1 template
Hi Mats,
What's wrong with a template that gives you a MIDI file for free,
even if you didn't expect it.
In my experience — both personally (years ago) and seeing waves of
newbies picking up Lilypond in the past few years — one of the most
confusing parts about learning Lilypond is
Hi all,
Any specific reason the (e.g.) String Quartet templates use
Violinone = \new Voice { \relative c'' { …
when we haven't explicitly instantiated Voice contexts in other
examples/templates?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks
upper = { BLAH }
\new Staff = upper \upper
is potentially confusing?
Definitely! Please change. I once get an instruction for the local
telephone exchange at the company where I worked, which said something
like If you for
Hi all,
has anyone of you ever seen the attached variant of a dal segno symbol
across the whole staff, similar to a section sign (§) with one
additional curl? This is not featured by the feta font, right?
Cheers,
Alexander
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has anyone of you ever seen the attached variant of a dal segno
symbol across the whole staff, similar to a section sign (§) with
one additional curl?
Yes, I know it.
This is not featured by the feta font, right?
No. Please write an enhancement report to the bug-lilypond list.
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi all,
Any specific reason the (e.g.) String Quartet templates use
Violinone = \new Voice { \relative c'' { …
when we haven't explicitly instantiated Voice contexts in other
examples/templates?
I don't see any reason to keep it there.
/Mats
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
To take your argument to its (illogical) extreme, why don't we just
add *all Lilypond features* into one simple template and let the
Lilypond beginners suddenly discover everything that Lilypond can do
all at once? ;-)
For most LilyPond features, I certainly agree
I would agree with Mats on this one. When I was first starting with
Lilypond and the template didn't have a MIDI block, I couldn't make it
work b/c I couldn't figure out *where* to stick the MIDI block. i was
VERY grateful to find a template that already had a working MIDI block.
It's easy
I've had vocal compositions published by G. Schirmer and Les Productions
D'Oz (Quebec) and in both cases they used beams on 8th and 16th notes.
I don't know if every publishing house does it this way, but I
personally would prefer to have autobeaming turned *on* by default. It
could be turned
I'm reading through 1.8.2.3, trying to understand how to center two
lines of text. How does \vcenter work? The documentation doesn't
really provide an example, so I'm kinda confused. I got it to work
with \center-align, but I'm understanding because of recent discussion
that sometime in
Jonathan Kulp wrote:
I would agree with Mats on this one. When I was first starting with
Lilypond and the template didn't have a MIDI block, I couldn't make it
work b/c I couldn't figure out *where* to stick the MIDI block. i was
VERY grateful to find a template that already had a working
That would work fine for me.
Jon
Chris Snyder wrote:
Jonathan Kulp wrote:
I would agree with Mats on this one. When I was first starting with
Lilypond and the template didn't have a MIDI block, I couldn't make it
work b/c I couldn't figure out *where* to stick the MIDI block. i was
VERY
Hi all,
I would have to go home and look into my
music engraving handbook to verify your claims.
Beaming of notes associated with a lyric now follows standard
notational practice. (Traditional practice, now obsolete, was to use
flags for eighth notes, sixteenth notes, etc. Beams were used
Hi Mats,
I have never seen any question on the mailing list on how to turn
the MIDI off
That's because I figured it out by myself... ;-)
quite a number of questions on if it's possible to get MIDI output
and how to do it.
My answer: RT(F)M. =)
If you have ever touched some other
Hi Jonathan,
I couldn't make it work b/c I couldn't figure out *where* to stick
the MIDI block.
I would offer that was a result of faulty MIDI documentation, not
faulty templates.
Kieren.
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Chris (et al.):
What about adding a comment in the template instead?
Sounds like the best plan yet.
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Hi James,
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm reading through 1.8.2.3, trying to understand how to center two lines of
text. How does \vcenter work? The documentation doesn't really provide an
example, so I'm kinda confused. I got it to work with \center-align, but I'm
Graham (et al.):
The template for the string quartet with parts (A.3.2) unnecessarily
deals with multiple files — everything the template is supposed to
accomplish can be done more simply in a single file, either using
\pageBreak between \score blocks (for single-PDF output), or by
Aha! there's a big difference in this section from the 2.11.54
documentation and the 2.11.55 documentation.
Am 15.08.2008 um 17:59 schrieb Neil Puttock:
Hi James,
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm reading through 1.8.2.3, trying to understand how to center two
lines of
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmillan at sympatico.ca writes:
Furthermore, there are *many* things about MIDI that are neither
clear nor simple — witness the number of questions on the list about
changing MIDI tempo, making dynamics work in multiple staves, etc. I
think it would be cleaner
Am 15.08.2008 um 17:59 schrieb Neil Puttock:
Hi James,
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm reading through 1.8.2.3, trying to understand how to center two
lines of
text. How does \vcenter work? The documentation doesn't really
provide an
example, so I'm kinda confused. I got
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Am Freitag, 15. August 2008 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi all,
I would have to go home and look into my
music engraving handbook to verify your claims.
Beaming of notes associated with a lyric now follows standard
notational practice.
Hi Reinhold,
all new editions of classical music published by the big German
publishers like Bärenreiter, Carus, Edition Peters, etc. still use
that obsolete practice...
True… but they also use obsolete practices of treating composers, so
I'm not sure that they're the best example to
Hi Carl (et al.):
The effect of \textLengthOn is to make the first musical moment
take as much horizontal space as the markup.
Okay, this brings up a question I've had for a while…
In multi-instrument scores, I would like to avoid collisions in my
markups (especially metronome markings) —
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks, I think I've got a hang of it, (I was actually looking for
\hcenter), but now I have another question. Is there any situation where
\center-align and \hcenter are exclusive? Aside from \hcenter needing
\column, I couldn't find any
Hi all,
it seems to me to be best to include the \midi block, with a
comment that says to
eliminate the block (or comment it out) in order to eliminate MIDI
output.
So far, the Save The MIDI Block team is definitely winning the
popular vote…
Kieren.
Am 15.08.2008 um 19:36 schrieb Neil Puttock:
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks, I think I've got a hang of it, (I was actually looking for
\hcenter), but now I have another question. Is there any situation
where
\center-align and \hcenter are exclusive? Aside from
Well, you decide!
I'll keep the thread open for a while, and then make a final decision
based on the majority of responses I get.
Thanks!
Kieren.
I agree, keep the midi code in the examples - comment it out if you want.
with a reference or link to the part of the documentation that
I'm running a 3-page document
$ lilypond -dbackend=svg test.ly
and I get test.svg with pageSet node with page nodes for each page then.
Quoting the documentation under -d backend=svg chapter says
This dumps every page as a separate SVG file, with embedded fonts.
Is there a way Lily could produce
On 8/15/08 11:08 AM, Kieren MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Carl (et al.):
The effect of \textLengthOn is to make the first musical moment
take as much horizontal space as the markup.
Okay, this brings up a question I've had for a whileS
In multi-instrument scores, I would like
2008/8/15 James E. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Am 15.08.2008 um 19:36 schrieb Neil Puttock:
The example for \hcenter in B.8.2 uses \column as a convenience to
show the alignment relative to the arrow.
When I try it without the column, they aren't centered (assuming I wanted to
superimpose to
Am 15.08.2008 um 19:36 schrieb Neil Puttock:
The example for \hcenter in B.8.2 uses \column as a convenience to
show the alignment relative to the arrow.
Actually, this isn't centered. But the implication is that it is.
\Since \hcenter aligns the center of an object with the left edge of
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:31:22 + (UTC)
Carl Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmillan at sympatico.ca writes:
Furthermore, there are *many* things about MIDI that are neither
clear nor simple ___ witness the number of questions on the list
about changing
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:01:18 -0400
Kieren MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The template for the string quartet with parts (A.3.2) unnecessarily
deals with multiple files ___ everything the template is supposed to
accomplish can be done more simply in a single file, either using
2008/8/15 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In fact, what about instead of
\midi{}
we do
\midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
? That doesn't add any vertical length to the templates, but it
gives midi output (which can be very important for inexperienced
composers), and even gives a hint about how
On 8/15/08 3:16 PM, Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/8/15 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In fact, what about instead of
\midi{}
we do
\midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
? That doesn't add any vertical length to the templates, but it
gives midi output (which can be very important
Carl D. Sorensen wrote Friday, August 15, 2008 10:23 PM
On 8/15/08 3:16 PM, Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/8/15 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In fact, what about instead of
\midi{}
we do
\midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
? That doesn't add any vertical length to the templates,
Hello,
I'm working on a web application that uses lilypond to generate sheet
music. I've signed up for VPS plan with a hosting company, providing me
with 512 MB of memory. I need to figure out how much to allocate for my
java app. How much memory does Lilypond require? Is there a way to limit
The templates in the Learning Manual should be
as simple as possible, so I agree multiple files
should be eliminated.
By the same token, I don't think we need real
music here - the temptation would be to over-
complicate the template.
Trevor
- Original Message -
From: Kieren
Mats Bengtsson wrote Friday, August 15, 2008 12:58 PM
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Finally:
1. Modern practice for vocal music engraving is to ALWAYS beam
eighth notes; and,
2. Including \autoBeamOff in these simple templates might be
confusing.
I hope you compare the templates with
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:16:13 +0100
Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/8/15 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
\midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
Unfortunately, you can't put \tempo inside a \midi block any more.
Oh yeah, I remember now. I complained at the time; IIRC the
answer was go
Dominic Neumann wrote:
Hi Maarten,
I think it is standard behaviour.
I remember there was a command to let LilyPond display all the spaces
it uses and its names. But I don´t remember the command and couldn´t
find it by searching ...
it's annotate-spacing and used in the \paper as in this
Kierin,
I just looked at that template and noticed that the first example on
the page A.3.1 gives a template for a score where everything is in
one file. The second example shows how to do things with multiple
files (as you said A.3.2). Although this might seem to some a bit
instructive
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
I would offer that was a result of faulty MIDI documentation, not
faulty templates.
Kieren.
I agree. I was surprised, not unpleasantly to have midi files appear,
and learned how to do them by example, But /still/ would prefer the
templates to not have them. (Unless
I'd like to modify the automatic accidental behavior for an organ piece
I'm engraving. The staves are set up such that there is a PianoStaff,
containing two Staffs, for the manuals, and an additional Staff for
pedal. No matter what I do, I can't get the pedal staff to follow the
automatic
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Valentin Villenave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This requires you to use lambda expressions, which are kind of confusing.
Are lambda expressions related to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus?
If so, I have to confess I kinda gave up every time I
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