Fwd: Re: Problem RemoveEmptyStaves

2015-04-23 Thread Les Éditions Valmajour - pg
Message transféré Sujet : Re: Problem RemoveEmptyStaves Date : Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:05:00 +0200 De :Les Éditions Valmajour - pg p...@editions-valmajour.fr Pour : tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com Hello, thanks for your answer, I actually just found out a few

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-04-23 17:37 GMT+02:00 SonusProj . sonusproject...@gmail.com: I see a method, though cumbersome, to post to this e-mail group without being a subscriber. How does one stop being a subscriber if I choose that path? You must be subscribed to the list to be able to post a mesage from your

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread SoundsFromSound
SonusProj . wrote I am a new user and really have no big plans on being a developer or power user. I just want to get my projects, analysis, practice lessons, etc to paper with some modicum of control. I have Notion and it works well and quick but the limitations prevent me from getting

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
+ I do think that your efforts are important for the future of LilyPond. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 01:55:57PM +0200, Gilles wrote: [...] Of course, if you are used to it, nobody forces you to change. The suggestion was certainly that LilyPond should forbid all input other than the standard (best practice) layout. [Yet I want to stress that what you seem to

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Subscribing to this e-mail list is overwhelming me with e-mail posts that are beyond me and outside of my scope of interest. Is it possible to throttle the e-mail so I don't receive 70 e-mails a day? You should activate `thread view' in your e-mail reader. Then you can simply ignore all

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread tisimst
Nabble does have its own account login, so you'd need to create that with them in order to *write* a post on their site. Reading is always open without an account. Your mailing list subscription is managed here: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/23/15 7:55 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:34:32PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 4/22/15 10:57 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp, can be annotated with ;; so that our Scheme codes implementing Jianpu can be

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Gilles
Hello. On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:09:29 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: Hi all, I had to leave this alone for a while, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to reply calmly to a number of the first responses on this thread. It's only lately that the discussion has reached a level of constructivity that may

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread Peter Bjuhr
On 2015-04-23 16:59, SonusProj . wrote: Subscribing to this e-mail list is overwhelming me with e-mail posts that are beyond me and outside of my scope of interest. Is it possible to throttle the e-mail so I don't receive 70 e-mails a day? I guess I am seeing if there is a forum type

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
Hi Urs, thanks a lot for all your efforts. I think you see the situation very clearly and I hope you continue this way. I can't see what I could contribute to that but in general you have my support for what you do. Best, Joram ___ lilypond-user

Re: Problem RemoveEmptyStaves

2015-04-23 Thread tisimst
This is curious, but it can be taken care of. If the solo part is *always* visible, then you can do: \new Dynamics \with { \override VerticalAxisGroup.remove-empty = ##f } { ... } in _just_ the solo staff. This, of course, will not be effective if there are times when it is appropriate for it to

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Federico, I see the first as less cluttered than the second (and another example of music can appear much more cluttered than above example). I see the second as containing more information encoded directly in the input, and requiring less to be added by the user. I don't like trying to

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 07:11:27AM -0700, Knute Snortum wrote: LilyPond has a great glossary, but I'd like to see cross-references back to the Notation manual. For instance, I might lookup grace note which gives me acciaccatura

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread PMA
On the piano I can play/think in voices or not. Sorry, I've lost track as to who wrote that. But just in case -- one might consider the (single-musician) pianist accompanying a (4-voiced) sunday school hymn. Pete ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 09:32:56AM +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: Am 23.04.2015 um 04:39 schrieb H. S. Teoh: I even apply this structure to long rests -- instead of R1*50 (or however many bars it is), I break it up into groups under passage labels, and within each passage label groups of R1*4 or

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread tisimst
Lance, On the other hand, all correspondence is archived according to these threads using the free Nabble service. You can find it here: lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com It keeps the conversations in a more familiar forum-like format, so you can go whenever you need without feeling like you have

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 4/23/15 7:55 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:34:32PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 4/22/15 10:57 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp,

回复: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread Super-User
Ming Tsang: I also expected it for long, and went for collage for a CS degree, and work in startups for two years, and try to write my own implementation. Note that I don't say that the output of a1soft program is optimal compared to manually printed jianpu scores. But lilypond's output is

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 16:13 schrieb ArnoldTheresius: Federico Bruni wrote ... personally I find lilypond code in \relative mode easier to read. Perhaps, it's only a problem because the editors we use are not able to translate automatically between relative and absolute octave notation. Well,

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread SonusProj .
Thanks Abraham and also thanks Werner. I try both suggestions. I see a method, though cumbersome, to post to this e-mail group without being a subscriber. How does one stop being a subscriber if I choose that path? Also, I see nabble has a login. Does this site allow replies to the posts it

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Simon Albrecht
Two small thoughts also from me: – I think the preference one will take also depends on musical style: a piece of renaissance vocal music uses so few leaps greater than a fourth that the advantage of relative in typing is huge and it’s ‘error-pronity’ small. On the other extreme, a piano

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Richard Shann
On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 19:36 +0200, Eyolf Østrem wrote: On 23.04.2015 (10:04), H. S. Teoh wrote: Besides, only powers of 2 are valid for durations, which wastes all the other numbers in between. Unfortunately I don't have a good idea on how to write durations without using digits

Re: What is a voice context?

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 18:37 schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 4/23/15 12:02 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 23.04.2015 um 06:07 schrieb Carl Sorensen: So now I'm going to jump in on what I think a Voice context is. A Voice context is a context, which means it can contain engravers,

B Series paper

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
B4 paper is readily available in Japan (Japan has an amazing riches of paper!). You can purchase it online through Rakuten Global Market: http://global.rakuten.com/en/category/303151 It's not cheap per sheet, but its certainly cheaper than buying 19 tonnes. HTH, Carl

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:09 AM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 4/23/15 7:55 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:34:32PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
Hi, a bit late, but my memories from when starting with LilyPond: 1. What is the thing you (especially new users) like the least about LilyPond's documentation structure? - documentation The sheer amount of pages to read was daunting. But I wanted to understand it (not being a programmer

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-04-22 22:38 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: All, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Noeck [via Lilypond] [hidden email] wrote: this is a triviality for most of you and it does not solve

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 23.04.2015 (10:04), H. S. Teoh wrote: Besides, only powers of 2 are valid for durations, which wastes all the other numbers in between. Unfortunately I don't have a good idea on how to write durations without using digits either. I started on a vim script to remap the keyboard as

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:34:32PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 4/22/15 10:57 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp, can be annotated with ;; so that our Scheme codes implementing Jianpu can be documented as well. Comments in the code are not the

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Calixte Faure
Depends on how you type your files and read music, I guess. As a singer I learned reading music relatively so it is more natural for me and i exclusively use \relative mode. But I agree there are limitation like Kieren second example with split voices: I always expect the note before the split to

E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread SonusProj .
I am a new user and really have no big plans on being a developer or power user. I just want to get my projects, analysis, practice lessons, etc to paper with some modicum of control. I have Notion and it works well and quick but the limitations prevent me from getting what I want onto the

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:55 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:34:32PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 4/22/15 10:57 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp, can be annotated with ;; so that our Scheme codes implementing

Re: What is a voice context?

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/23/15 12:02 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 23.04.2015 um 06:07 schrieb Carl Sorensen: So now I'm going to jump in on what I think a Voice context is. A Voice context is a context, which means it can contain engravers, performers, and music expressions. ... I'd be

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 03:35:59PM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: Hi Kieren 2015-04-23 14:40 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: personally I find lilypond code in \relative mode easier to read. Really? I look at \relative c,, { c4 g' a b e f' g' a, b,, c’

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread bobr...@centrum.is
- Original Message - From: Calixte Faure calixte.fa...@gmail.com To: Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de Cc: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:35:18 PM Subject: Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?) I learned

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 f5 e5 d5 c5 All other things being equal, that *would* have been great. That would save typing in some cases and would follow American and other conventions. But c' etc. is just the natural way of calling the notes in Dutch, German and many northern and eastern European

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread Paul Morris
Hi Ming, On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:41 AM, MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com wrote: Good morning Paul, Thank you very much for you jianpu4.ly. I run your jianpu-test.ly and sportted one note not the same in key C and key D. The 2nd note on third measure - a dot below the horizontal bar is

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 23.04.2015 (19:40), Richard Shann wrote: Well, if you set up that mapping for Denemo you could get LilyPond's beautiful typesetting too :) The last time I tried, it wasn't possible in denemo, I think because the keyboard shortcuts were tied to specific octaves, or something like that. I've

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Joram, c' etc. is just the natural way of calling the notes in Dutch, German and many northern and eastern European languages So here in Germany it is an advantage when teaching LilyPond to newcomes: You write the notes just by their name: d' fis' a' d'' – as easy as that. Interesting.

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Calixte Faure
I learned music in French (native French) and was at the beginning a little bit confused with 2 4 8 16 etc. because we say white, black, hooked, double-hooked, triple-, etc. but after all it is logical with the numbers. I understood the choice of 2 4 8 16 during an exchange semester in Germany

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread PMA
Calixte Faure wrote: I learned music in French (native French) and was at the beginning a little bit confused with 2 4 8 16 etc. because we say white, black, hooked, double-hooked, triple-, etc. . At least you weren't trapped in hemi-demi-semi-quavers! - Pete

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread SonusProj .
Filters work perfectly. I can now review, ignore, or delete the email as it fills my new Lilypond folder on the email server. Inbox is always bypassed. No more phone blowing-up all day. :) Great suggestions from everyone. Thanks, Lance On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:35 AM, SoundsFromSound

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Wols Lists
On 23/04/15 00:00, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Wol, Hi Kieren (NB, I've read Thomas' response) What I'd like to see is worked, documented examples. I’m happy to supply a few… But there are so many questions: 1. Where would they be kept? Actually, the thought just struck me, maybe

Re: Paper size survey

2015-04-23 Thread Calixte Faure
We call it massicot in French, I just found out it comes from its inventor Guillaume Massiquot: seems that French people like creating cutting machines! :D 2015-04-23 14:42 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: Hi Karl, a good paper cutter (what's the right word?)

Re: Paper size survey

2015-04-23 Thread J Martin Rushton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erm, the French like adopting and boasting about cutting devices. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Gibbet for an earlier example. There is a discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine#Precursors about earlier designs. ;-) On

Re: E-mail management question

2015-04-23 Thread Hans Aberg
On 23 Apr 2015, at 16:59, SonusProj . sonusproject...@gmail.com wrote: Subscribing to this e-mail list is overwhelming me with e-mail posts that are beyond me and outside of my scope of interest. Is it possible to throttle the e-mail so I don't receive 70 e-mails a day? One option is a

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, It makes me think that it was a wrong design decision in lilypond to use ' and , for octave indications and digits 1, 2, 4, 8, ... for durations. If we had used digits for octave designations instead, absolute mode would be much less painful to write, e.g.: c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 f5 e5

how apt are comparisons to TeX/LaTeX?

2015-04-23 Thread dl . mcnamara
In the context of the long discussions of what does lilypond need to do, I'm predisposed to try to think about it in terms of what (I think I) know about TeX/LaTeX. So the first question is: how much of lilypond's goals and design are based on TeX/LaTeX? Along these lines comes a series of

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 23.04.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Urs Liska: Am 23. April 2015 09:32:56 MESZ, schrieb Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de: Am 23.04.2015 um 04:39 schrieb H. S. Teoh: I even apply this structure to long rests -- instead of R1*50 (or however many bars it is), I break it up into groups under

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon, – I think the preference one will take also depends on musical style: a piece of renaissance vocal music uses so few leaps greater than a fourth that the advantage of relative in typing is huge and it’s ‘error-pronity’ small. On the other extreme, a piano piece by George Crumb

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.04.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Gilles, I have _not_ asked the LilyPond team to spend any resources for whatever. First of all, nobody wrote that you did. You wrote What's for the LilyPond team in spending resources trying to work around those self-inflicted

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Gilles, I have _not_ asked the LilyPond team to spend any resources for whatever. First of all, nobody wrote that you did. You wrote What's for the LilyPond team in spending resources trying to work around those self-inflicted limitations? That response fairly strongly implies that you

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Gilles
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 01:59:40 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: Am 24.04.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Gilles, I have _not_ asked the LilyPond team to spend any resources for whatever. First of all, nobody wrote that you did. You wrote What's for the LilyPond team in spending resources

Re: Instrument as first-class citizen

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, I never use the word music object for LilyPond entities. That’s wise. As I said, I think we shouldn’t let new and potentially confusing nomenclature creep in. If we are missing structures needed to capture music the way musicians and composers think about it, it may be desirable to

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Knute Snortum
LilyPond has a great glossary, but I'd like to see cross-references back to the Notation manual. For instance, I might lookup grace note which gives me acciaccatura http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/music-glossary/acciaccatura, but there is no link to the Notation manual. Knute

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread ArnoldTheresius
Federico Bruni wrote ... personally I find lilypond code in \relative mode easier to read. Perhaps, it's only a problem because the editors we use are not able to translate automatically between relative and absolute octave notation. Well, back to the original question, what may professional

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, If, as a musician, I get confused by thinking of a voice context I can't use any technology of notating, including pen and paper. But if I can abstract my instrument - the piano - away and realize it uses multiple voices, I can use that concept for all notation programs. I think

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Baur, Thomas
What I'd like to see is worked, documented examples. I’m happy to supply a few… But there are so many questions: 1. Where would they be kept? I think best is very prominent in the documentation. I remember my first steps with Lilypond, I wanted to make a score for Guitar with tab but I do

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 23.04.2015 um 01:29 schrieb Carl Sorensen: David Elaine Alt finds that a major obstacle to understanding lilypond is the lack of a comprehensive (and/or comprehensible) object model. The question was asked: Does anyone really understand what a Voice is? I think there are two levels at which

Re: What is a voice context?

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 06:07 schrieb Carl Sorensen: So now I'm going to jump in on what I think a Voice context is. A Voice context is a context, which means it can contain engravers, performers, and music expressions. ... I'd be happy to try to answer any questions others might have about a

Re: What is a voice context?

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
Hi, I never had a problem with that. Score, Staff and Voice were musically clear to me right from the start. Then I read the learning manual and didn’t find it hard to understand how this is represented in LilyPond after reading this:

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-04-23 9:21 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl: I often use LilyPond to quickly enter a very simple tune or small pianosheet needing just a simple texteditor (Vim). I use \relative all the time. c g c e g is soo much faster and easier than c''' g'' c''' e''' g''' g'''.

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Hwaen Ch'uqi wrote: Greetings, The reasons for one not using relative mode are clear, but it hardly justifies calling for its deprecation. As a composer of primarily piano music, it is an absolute lifesaver. And all to whom I have introduced LilyPond, primarily pianists

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Noeck
Of course, it still doesn’t help one find a global variable To be more precise: One can’t click on time signatures, spacer rests, barlines, etc. If your global variable contains tempo marks, etc. point-and-click finds it. Joram ___ lilypond-user

Re: Instrument as first-class citizen

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 05:47 schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 4/22/15 7:17 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine ela...@flaminghakama.com wrote: Since I understand programming languages rather well, if I understanding how something is organized, then I can code it 100% of the time. Surely, I will have to refer

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/23/15 3:26 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I think this is an excellent approach. Actually this is exactly one kind of information that is lacking in the documentation (or at least not accessible to the user). If one has the chance to get such a model it is much more easy to

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, Thank you again for your excellent efforts in this regard. So finally I'm back at the beginning, namely my original post's question, preparing a convincing set of facts, arguments and promises that help to overcome the reservations with regard to b) and c) of the above list. I have

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, Flexibility is also a Good Thing. And standardization and flexibility are always at odds with one another. Similarly, brevity is a Good Thing. And obviousness is a good thing. And brevity and obviousness are often at odds with one another. The tradeoffs between these

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 14:50 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Urs, On the piano I can play/think in voices or not. But that’s exactly my point: you’re a single “musician”. (I think everyone would agree on that semantic.) But you can play multiple “voices”. Hence “musician” != “voice”, and to try to

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, I'd be happy to have a Best Practices guide as part of the LilyPond documentation. I'd be happy to review your proposals for appearance, organization, and content. Alright! I’ll put together a proposal and forward it to you off-list. Thanks, Kieren.

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Thomas (et al.), I wanted to make a score for Guitar with tab but I do not find an example in the documentation that is for an newbie readable […] one file so that people can copy and past it, press engrave button and it works Sounds to me like you’re asking for a well-commented

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/23/15 1:25 AM, Johannes Rohrer s...@johannesrohrer.de wrote: * 2015-04-23 01:29 +0200: Translators are program elements that convert music expressions to output. Engravers are translators that create printed output. Performers are translators that create midi output. Translators

Re: Instrument as first class citizen (Was: ...)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Xavier, Actually there is the \addInstrumentDefinition command (used in combination with \instrumentSwitch) which does *part* of that. See NR 1.6.3 Writing parts Instrument names http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-parts#instrument-names Yes… But if we’re

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, Hence “musician” != “voice”, and to try to conflate the two ideas (as one of the replies did) is potentially confusing. Yes, but that's a confusion that is not related to LilyPond at all. That confusion immediately becomes related to Lilypond if, as was suggested/implied, her

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23. April 2015 09:32:56 MESZ, schrieb Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de: Am 23.04.2015 um 04:39 schrieb H. S. Teoh: I even apply this structure to long rests -- instead of R1*50 (or however many bars it is), I break it up into groups under passage labels, and within each passage

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Simon Albrecht wrote: Perhaps it boils down to this: Using a conventional typesetting software may be learned through trial and error, using lilypond can’t. You have to be willing to get a grip of it from the basic, and for me this involved to delve into a completely

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-04-23 9:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl: But if I want to do things beyond the LM basics the almost endless possibilities that LilyPond offers and the many many pages of the NR and other manuals can be quite overwhelming. What I would like: A tool that allows me to

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Federico Bruni wrote: 2015-04-23 9:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl: But if I want to do things beyond the LM basics the almost endless possibilities that LilyPond offers and the many many pages of the NR and other manuals can be quite

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 23.04.2015 um 04:39 schrieb H. S. Teoh: I even apply this structure to long rests -- instead of R1*50 (or however many bars it is), I break it up into groups under passage labels, and within each passage label groups of R1*4 or R1*8 or some multiple thereof, separated by blank lines. Just a

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 155

2015-04-23 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 22.04.2015 um 23:25 schrieb Flaming Hakama by Elaine: My problem is that too much of it is written like the following response from Elaine, which looks like Pprogrammers Only Need Apply. There is no getting around the fact that lilypond is a programming language. I don't

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 04:59 schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 4/22/15 6:53 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Gilles, Yet you long for some_tool that would know how to remove a set of bars from That Production project. :-P A tool could do that *if* it knew what structure to

Re: Instrument as first class citizen (Was: ...)

2015-04-23 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 23 April 2015 at 04:28, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:17:53 -0700, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: [...] Without getting too technical, objects are things that you can create, have properties and relationships with other well-defined objects. This is

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Johannes Rohrer
* 2015-04-23 01:29 +0200: Translators are program elements that convert music expressions to output. Engravers are translators that create printed output. Performers are translators that create midi output. Translators examine the music expressions that are contained in the context, and

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-23 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-04-23 10:19 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl: Do you know that you can download the documentation with the --doc option of the installer? I am using Linux Fedora and simply installed the lilypond-doc rpm package using my package manager. I'm also using the

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Michael Hendry
On 23 Apr 2015, at 01:48, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Stephen (et al.) anyway I tried a few examples and used %1a %2a etc for measures and used the bar check (|) as an end eg. %1a music | This would be reliant on meticulous use of of the “%NNNa and

Re: Paper size survey

2015-04-23 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am 2015-04-23 um 12:05 schrieb k...@aspodata.se: I staple the A3's in the middle with an ordinary stapler (without using it's anvil(?)) on a medium soft board (so the staples gets through) and fold the staple? pins on the inside flat, For this, I can really recommend a special long arm

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 02:05 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Harm, Speaking as a user, I always thought about a Voice like a _musician_, never had problems with that thinking. But (he says, taking on the role of the average newbie user) a pianist is a musician. So why can’t I write all of the piano

Re: Paper size survey

2015-04-23 Thread karl
Reinhold: Am 2015-04-23 um 12:05 schrieb k...@aspodata.se: I staple the A3's in the middle with an ordinary stapler (without using it's anvil(?)) on a medium soft board (so the staples gets through) and fold the staple? pins on the inside flat, For this, I can really recommend a

Re: Paper size survey

2015-04-23 Thread karl
Andrew: What size paper do you print scores on? I usually use (for the choir) paper-width = 190 \mm paper-height = 270 \mm (I got that size from a Bärenreiter choirbook), I print it out as folded A3 and cut it down to the right size. Yes, an A3 printer and a good paper cutter (what's

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Hi all, I had to leave this alone for a while, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to reply calmly to a number of the first responses on this thread. It's only lately that the discussion has reached a level of constructivity that may be helpful. In the meantime the discussion has split up to

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2015 um 01:29 schrieb Carl Sorensen: David Elaine Alt finds that a major obstacle to understanding lilypond is the lack of a comprehensive (and/or comprehensible) object model. The question was asked: Does anyone really understand what a Voice is? I think there are two levels at

Re: Is GridLY the future? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 22:58 schrieb Thomas Morley: The main objective of openLilyLib (old and new) is providing a platform for extending LilyPond without having to integrate everything in the core. This is a) because not every extension should bloat the core and b) even when something would fit

Re: Cross staff beaming warning

2015-04-23 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Andrew, If it happens only once, simply add: %% suppress warning : #(ly:set-option 'warning-as-error #f) #(ly:expect-warning (_ weird stem size, check for narrow beams)) before the score bloc. Hope I understood you well, HTH too, Cheers, Pierre 2015-04-23 6:41 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard

Re: Introducing LV GoldenAge!

2015-04-23 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Abraham, Thank you very much for your work. I'll take a closer look to the new font tonight. Cheers, Pierre 2015-04-22 23:02 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:46 PM, David Bellows [via Lilypond] [hidden email]

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-23 Thread karl
Calixte: ... Or have a script/feature/tool that automatically counts measures : it would be able to put bar numbers in comment, ... You can try: http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/bin/addnum.pl it works for me... You're welcome to suggest changes. Regards, /Karl Hammar

Re: Instrument as first class citizen

2015-04-23 Thread Gilles
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:50:05 +0200, Xavier Scheuer wrote: On 23 April 2015 at 04:28, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:17:53 -0700, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: [...] Without getting too technical, objects are things that you can create, have properties

Re: Instrument as first-class citizen

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl (et al.), It doesn't help that many things are implicit and based on contexts which are invisible and undocumented Hmm. I have a bit more trouble understanding this. I infer that he (correctly) means how \version 2.19.18 \score { \new Voice c' } \score { \new Staff c’ }

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 10:57 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp, can be annotated with ;; so that our Scheme codes implementing Jianpu can be documented as well. Comments in the code are not the documentation I am talking about. The JianpuStaff should be added to the

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Federico, If you structure your files in a way that causes relative mode to produce side-effects, you can still enter in relative mode and then convert in absolute mode when you've finished (Frescobaldi can do it). I find it just as easy to enter code in absolute mode, so why should I go

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