Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Johan Vromans
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 05:52:04 + (UTC) Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: I wish the manual did not use the implicit \relative c'' {} (sometimes \relative c' {} ) enclosing the examples. As soon as the input gets complicated, \relative becomes difficult to figure out. I've always

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Keith OHara
Michael Hendry hendry.michael at gmail.com writes: I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_ of the bars, thus... | a4 b c d | a8 b c d e f g a | a16 b c d e f g a b c d e f g a b That works very nicely. When I had a measure that took more than one line of

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Johan Vromans
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:16:42 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar? | a4 b c d | | e f g a | I do this very often, in particular with chords. Now I happen to have a nice tool that can

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Hendry
On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:16, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: Michael Hendry hendry.michael at gmail.com writes: I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_ of the bars, thus... | a4 b c d | a8 b c d e f

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-26 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Paul, I don't know if that's in any way related to our talk yesterday or if it has exclusively been triggered by Carl starting it. But this is very much a skeleton of what I was talking about! It would be absolutely great if you could pour that into a tutorial on the basics of writing

回复: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-26 Thread Super-User
Hi, Paul! I agree better merge after your refactoring to new approach. Looking forward to see your new version. David Zhang -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: Paul Morrisp...@paulwmorris.com; 发送时间: 2015年4月26日(星期天) 晚上11:38 收件人: Super-Userdavid...@qq.com; Urs

curved line following HorizontalBracket and bendafter

2015-04-26 Thread Stephen MacNeil
2 questions 1. if i draw a line how can i make it so it always moves to the upper/lower portion onto a specific part of the staff regardless of were it starts c or c' or c'' etc 2. i modified HorizontalBracket and bendafter so how do I make that line/curve follow the distance of the

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-26 Thread Paul Morris
Hi David and Ming, On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Super-User david...@qq.com wrote: May I suggest having this project hosted on Github also? The facilities on Github enables better managements of issues, goal, test cases, and of course, the codebase itself, especially code merges. In

RE: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Simon, Actually Lilypond does check the bar checks and notifies if an incorrect number of beats (as stated in the \time) are in a measure. Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Simon

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Peter Bjuhr
On 2015-04-26 15:13, Simon Albrecht wrote: If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant (implement) a commandline option to lily that would convert the relative blocks founds to absolute?

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar? | a4 b c d | | e f g a | You’re the only one I’ve ever heard of doing so. =) Exactly ½ of your bar checks are redundant, of course. Cheers, Kieren. Kieren

Chord charts (Re: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread dl . mcnamara
Johan, What is this tool for chord charts?I'm working on this kind of thing, haven't found a good way to do this.Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Johan VromansTo: lilypond-user@gnu.orgSent: April 26, 2015 at 11:49 AMSubject: Re: Do we really offer the

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 26.04.2015 um 18:10 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:16, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx mailto:hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: Michael Hendry hendry.michael at gmail.com http://gmail.com writes: I routinely put

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar? | a4 b c d | | e f g a | You’re the only one I’ve ever heard of doing so. =) Exactly ½ of your bar checks are

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-26 Thread Paul Morris
Thanks Carl, Johannes, and David for working on this overview. On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Johannes Rohrer s...@johannesrohrer.de wrote: Translators selectively (based on assigned Event Classes) accept Events from the stream that were sorted into their context and process them. Typically,

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Noeck
Il 26/04/15 09.58, Johan Vromans ha scritto: I've always considered \relative as an operation that should be applied as close to the actual notes as possible. This gives the least suprises, if any. \relative c'' { \new PianoStaff \new Staff { \time 2/4 c4 e | g g, | }

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: Michael Hendry hendry.michael at gmail.com writes: I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_ of the bars, thus... | a4 b c d | a8 b c d e f g a | a16 b c d e f g a b c d e f g a b That works

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-26 Thread Simon Albrecht
That’s really insightful. Thank you! Regards, Simon Am 26.04.2015 um 17:16 schrieb Paul Morris: Thanks Carl, Johannes, and David for working on this overview. On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Johannes Rohrer s...@johannesrohrer.de wrote: Translators selectively (based on assigned Event Classes)

Re: Chord charts (Re: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Johan Vromans
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:09:11 + (UTC) dl.mcnam...@comcast.net wrote: Johan, What is this tool for chord charts? I'm working on this kind of thing, haven't found a good way to do this. http://johan.vromans.org/software/sw_playtab.html Please note that the information on the site is

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Why would you want to check each bar twice? These bar checks are mostly for humans to ease reading of the code, not for machine interpreting. Does it double the time required? And if so, what total amount of processing time is actually added (say, per 100 bar checks)? Cheers,

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Gilles
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 09:58:33 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 05:52:04 + (UTC) Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: I wish the manual did not use the implicit \relative c'' {} (sometimes \relative c' {} ) enclosing the examples. As soon as the input gets complicated,

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 26.04.2015 um 14:37 schrieb Ali Cuota: Hello, If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant (implement) a commandline option to lily that would convert the relative blocks founds to absolute?

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Ali Cuota
Hello, If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant a commandline option to lily that would convert the relatibe blocks founds to absolute? Francois 2015-04-26 5:12 GMT-05:00, Gilles

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Davide Liessi
Dear Johan, Il 26/04/15 09.58, Johan Vromans ha scritto: I've always considered \relative as an operation that should be applied as close to the actual notes as possible. This gives the least suprises, if any. \relative c'' { \new PianoStaff \new Staff { \time 2/4 c4 e | g g, |

Re: odd behavior with acciaccatura in 1st position

2015-04-26 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 26.04.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Cynthia Karl: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:09:13 +1000 From: Andrew Bernard andrew.bern...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: odd behavior with acciaccatura in 1st position Message-ID: etPan.553c2ca9.6b8b4567.185c@darkenergy.local

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-26 Thread MING TSANG
Paul, Thank you very much. Immanuel,Ming. On Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:18 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: Hello, On Apr 24, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote:  I just spotted \time 3/4 or 4/4, jianpu display 6 - . , I think it should be 6 -

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-26 Thread MING TSANG
David, I agree as suggested even though I am not a developer.  I need to learn github -- is it hard to learn? Paul's jianpu6b.ly does not contain David's jianpu6.ly and I have no knowledge to merge both into one. Thank you. Immanuel,Ming.  On Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:51 PM, Super-User

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-26 Thread Stephen MacNeil
it looks like you shortened \transpose not \relative but i like it I may use it thanks Stephen octave = #(define-music-function (parser location octaves music) (integer? ly:music?) (_i Raise or lower @var{music} by a nubmer of @var{octaves}.) (make-music 'TransposedMusic 'element

Re: Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Wol, Basically, what I want is \StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn. So, thinking treble clef, the text would be centred on the b line. Markup, however, seems to want to be above or below the staff, and that's it. How do I force it IN the staff, or am I using the wrong technique

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Wol, Thanks. It's all coming together. “Teach a man to fish…” =) Looks like I'll have to use this piece as the basis for a little tutorial or something :-) I’d be happy to help you with that. But I warn you: if I *am* involved in turning this into an “official” tutorial, the structure

Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-) Basically, what I want is \StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn. So, thinking treble clef, the text would be centred on the b line. Markup, however, seems to want to be above or below the staff, and that's it. How do I force it IN the staff, or am

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx mailto:hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 27.04.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Simon Albrecht: Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx mailto:hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts

Re: Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-26 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Hi Wol, i think turning off outside-staff-priority only affects outside the staff and will not bring it in the staff. use.. \relative c'' { % first number is right left second is up down \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(0 . -4) c d c d c1^hello r2 c2 } HTH stephen

Re: Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-26 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-27 0:14 GMT+02:00 Anthonys Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk: Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-) Basically, what I want is \StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn. So, thinking treble clef, the text would be centred on the b line. Markup, however, seems to want to be above or

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:47:02PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi all, Why would you want to check each bar twice? These bar checks are mostly for humans to ease reading of the code, not for machine interpreting. Does it double the time required? And if so, what total amount of

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 26/04/2015 22:02, Anthonys Lists wrote: And, I'm not quite sure of what it was before, but having changed Take 2nd to D.S. to a rehearsal mark as you suggest, what do I get? STAIRCASING MARKUP AGAIN as it collides with the volta spanner! The text is supposed to be to the left of the

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 25/04/2015 00:35, Thomas Morley wrote: Oh - and how do I get Score.VoltaBracket.shorten-pair to affect only the *second* bracket? Do I stick it between the two alternatives? I know when I tried something like that last time, it wouldn't even compile ... \alternative { { R2*2 } { \once

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Hendry
On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar? | a4 b c d | | e f g a | You’re the only one I’ve ever

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 25/04/2015 01:28, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Wol, Hi Kieren, Thomas So I'm now having another go, and it's just blown up again !!! :-( It seems to me that there is too much addressing one issue, when my big problem is conflicting solutions! In other words, the solution to one problem

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 26/04/2015 22:02, Anthonys Lists wrote: As you suggested, I changed Allegretto con moto to a metronome mark (that's \tempo, right?) Instant result? STAIRCASING MARKUP AGAIN :-( wtf do I adjust now? The documentation is great at telling you HOW to change things, but not WHAT to change. I

Re: Height of start bar brace

2015-04-26 Thread Nathan Ho
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, can I change the height of a start bar brace, like in \version 2.19.16 \new PianoStaff \new Staff { R1 } \new Staff { R1 } I would like to reduce the vertical size a little bit. For some reason this

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

2015-04-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Anthony, you wrote Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:14 PM FOUND IT. I found the magic incantation for Google, which led me to the internals reference. Which is on the documentation page ... Sound like you haven't read Chapter 4 in the Learning Manual, which explains what the Internals Reference is

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-26 Thread Righteous Coda Music
Hi Mark, Actually Lilypond does check the bar checks and notifies if an incorrect number of beats (as stated in the \time) are in a measure. I believe Simon knows that, and that he’s simply pointing out that the “extra” (i.e., second and redundant) bar check in the OP’s code is only needed

can InstrumentName padding centered according to the longest instrument name?

2015-04-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, In the snippet http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=383, the instrument names are centered [beautifully!] based on the total indent value. How would one make the instruments be centered in a block only the width of the longest instrument name (plus maybe a little padding), with the

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-26 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 26/04/2015 17:08, Urs Liska wrote: Hi Paul, I don't know if that's in any way related to our talk yesterday or if it has exclusively been triggered by Carl starting it. But this is very much a skeleton of what I was talking about! It would be absolutely great if you could pour that into a

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-26 Thread David Nalesnik
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 26.04.2015 um 17:16 schrieb Paul Morris: but engravers can have both listeners and acknowledgers, and more than one of each. You can also use an end-acknowledger to catch the end of a spanner. It’s probably

Height of start bar brace

2015-04-26 Thread Noeck
Hi, can I change the height of a start bar brace, like in \version 2.19.16 \new PianoStaff \new Staff { R1 } \new Staff { R1 } I would like to reduce the vertical size a little bit. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-26 Thread Cynthia Karl
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 23:14:32 +0100 From: Anthonys Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk To: lilypond user list lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Putting text IN the staff Message-ID: 553d634...@youngman.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Simple problem, I

Re: Concepts that may be missing (or are at least hidden) in LilyPond

2015-04-26 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Carl, In what way are measures missing? Half the world calls them ‘bars’ by the way - that’s what they are under in the index. Are you simply referring to terminology in the documentation? Andrew On 27 April 2015 at 14:17:26, Carl Sorensen (c_soren...@byu.edu) wrote: Hi all, I'm

Concepts that may be missing (or are at least hidden) in LilyPond

2015-04-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
Hi all, I'm still trying to get a list of musical concepts that you commonly use to talk about music that are either missing or hard to find in LilyPond. So far we have a set of two: Instruments Measures Are there any others that you can think of? Thanks, Carl