Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
The vertical-fill method does exactly what I asked in the very first post. But soon after, thanks to this thread, I saw some limitations in a pure-LilyPond approach, which I did not know: therefore I stated, *before* you made this example: "I well know, and stated several times, that LilyPond has

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Paolo, Yes, that makes sense. This was never meant as some full working implementation but just as an example. Still, what problems did you have with the vertical-fill method? This should work quite well for cover pages and such. Cheers, Valentin Am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021, 21:13:57

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
Hello Valentin On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 7:35 PM Valentin Petzel wrote: > Hello Paolo, > > That is not exactly true. The first time you used the word template was > quite > some way in when you assumed that you’d need to set the markups > differently > for any possible configuration (which is

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Paolo, That is not exactly true. The first time you used the word template was quite some way in when you assumed that you’d need to set the markups differently for any possible configuration (which is where I answered you’d be underestimating Lilypond as you do NOT need to do that. My

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 6:57 PM David Kastrup wrote: > Paolo Prete writes: > > > If you read again my posts, you will find the core specification, with > > a specific word, since the very first posts of this thread, not at a > > random place. And I repeated it several times. The magic word is:

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Paolo Prete writes: > If you read again my posts, you will find the core specification, with > a specific word, since the very first posts of this thread, not at a > random place. And I repeated it several times. The magic word is: > *template*. That's a buzzphrase that doesn't concern _what_

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 4:44 PM Valentin Petzel wrote: > And please don't feel offended by my last mail, I'm not in the best shape, > as a friend of mine killed himself recently. > > Hello Valentin, This is really sad news, especially if it happens at a time of pandemic, which in itself is

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Kira Garvie
I’m so sorry, Valentin! That is a challenging time to go through, and I wish you strength and comfort. I hope you have a good support system to lean on at this time. I’ve been reading through this thread, and what strikes me is that the original intent of the question and the answers and

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Paolo, I did not mean a random specification, but a very important core specification at a random point. In the beginning I asked you twice why you want to avoid footer markups. This was not because I assume you're wrong but because we need to know what you intend to do to properly help

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Valentin, > probably some communication issue. I try to > listen to what you try to explain, but I hardly get anything about your > actual > problem and mostly critique how the solutions are not clean enough for you > without really reasoning why this would be that way. That's what I

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jean, > What if I wanted to write a stylesheet to place page numbers > at the bottom, and another to print them in an italic font? Stylesheets in Lilypond is something I've been actively trying to interest the community in for more than a decade — Urs was the only one who ever really

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:38 PM Valentin Petzel wrote: > Nothing really heated here, but probably some communication issue. I try > to > listen to what you try to explain, but I hardly get anything about your > actual > problem and mostly critique how the solutions are not clean enough for you >

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Nothing really heated here, but probably some communication issue. I try to listen to what you try to explain, but I hardly get anything about your actual problem and mostly critique how the solutions are not clean enough for you without really reasoning why this would be that way. I’ve sent

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 10:25 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Hi, > > Okay, I'll let myself sucked in this (in my opinion > unnecessarily) heated thread I really thank you for this post. It not only explains what I had in mind regarding the technical side of the thread; it also highlights a bigger

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 11:57 AM Valentin Petzel wrote: > Hello Paolo, > > Please note that default values are intended to be changed if required. Hello Valentin, as said before I don't want this kind of customization: I think it reduces readability of the code (unless it is wrapped, but

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Jean, The problem with this is that we’d need to give up control over the header footer. We could very well just replace the current defaults with more complex ones and use some way or another to pass styling information into the markups. Of course we might argue that piecing together

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Paolo, Please note that default values are intended to be changed if required. If you do not change the default footer in Libre Office Writer you’d be unable to do anything but empty footers. Then note that headers and footers in Lilypond DO have recurring rules, just that those rules

Re: String at the bottom of a cover page without using \markup

2021-12-18 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Hi, Okay, I'll let myself sucked in this (in my opinion unnecessarily) heated thread **for one post only**. While I wouldn't call the proposed methods hacks, I more or less share Paolo's dissatisfaction with the current way footers are made customizable. What if I wanted to write a stylesheet