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> From: Graham Percival
> To: Martin Tarenskeen
> Cc: lilypond-user mailinglist
> Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 6:51:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Lilypond to MusicXML (was: Re: New Sibelius to LilyPond
> conversion suite)
>
> On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:45:58AM
You can get started with a reasonable MusicXML import project for as little as
a US $10 investment in Finale NotePad. For a MusicXML export project, just
download a free Finale demo. Recordare does not make any money from either the
sales or downloads of MakeMusic products.
The Finale products
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Graham Percival wrote:
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:45:58AM +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
But the main problem remains: Lilypond developers are also very happy
Lilypond users, which could explain the lack of motivation to put a lot
of time and effort exporting to a format
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:45:58AM +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
>
> But the main problem remains: Lilypond developers are also very happy
> Lilypond users, which could explain the lack of motivation to put a lot
> of time and effort exporting to a format that only people who do NOT use
> Li
Personally I would already be quite happy if Lilypond would only be able
to export the most basic information like staffs, clefs, keys, notes, and
beamings. More detailed and/or complex details I would then add manually
in the software that I use to import the exported musicxml. Even that
wou
On Sunday 07 February 2010 20:40:55 you wrote:
> MusicXML isn't a standard at all. If you have to say "umm, dunno,
> look at what this other piece of software does", it's not a
> standard.
Just to make things clear: It's not so bad. It's just impossible to write a
full specification for musical
On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 07:12:59PM +0100, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> However, there is also a practical problem: How do you check the
> quality of your export? There are so many things in the MusicXML
> "specification" that are left unclear, and the typical advice on
> the MusicXML mailing list is
On Saturday 06 February 2010 16:18:54 Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> Everyone will agree having not only musicxml2ly but also a Lilypond to
> MusicXML converter would be cool.
Absolutely. The only problem is who will develop it? I don't have the time for
such a task, but rather create some more Urtex
On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 04:18:54PM +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> Could this also be true for Lilypond ? Would it be better/easier to have
> a --musicxml output option ( just like --png --ps and --pdf ) instead of
> a separate application that has to be written from scratch ? Maybe then
> the
Everyone will agree having not only musicxml2ly but also a Lilypond to
MusicXML converter would be cool.
I remember a similar discussion some time ago in the Mup mailing list. The
Mup developers from Arkkra Enterprises were saying it would probably be
less work to add musicxml export as an e
Michael Good:
...
> LilyPond may be free software, but it has more lock-in than nearly any
> current
> commercial music notation product.
...
You might be able to claim that and get away with it, but look at [1]:
In economics, vendor lock-in, also known as proprietary lock-in,
or customer loc
On 2/4/10 3:53 PM, "Michael Good" wrote:
>
> LilyPond may be free software, but it has more lock-in than nearly any current
> commercial music notation product. Scores can only be imported into LilyPond
> format. They can never be moved effectively from LilyPond to another notation
> program.
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 04:03:17PM -0800, Patrick McCarty wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Michael Good wrote:
> >
> > It is unfortunate that LilyPond users cannot take advantage of
> > the same data freedom that Finale and Sibelius users can.
I agree that it is unfortunate that nobody ha
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Michael Good wrote:
>
> LilyPond may be free software, but it has more lock-in than nearly any current
> commercial music notation product. Scores can only be imported into LilyPond
> format. They can never be moved effectively from LilyPond to another notation
> pr
Hi Martin and Kirill,
Martin, MusicXML is pervasive in the music preparation business, whether it is
preparation for print music, film, or TV. It is not yet used very widely as a
consumer format for sheet music, but this is starting to change. You can see
the list of sites offering MusicXML sco
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Michael Good wrote:
There will definitely be lossiness going from Sibelius to an intermediate
format, and from that intermediate format to LilyPond. But I think the
lossiness will be minimized if that intermediate format is MusicXML produced
by our latest Dolet plug-ins. Th
Michael Good wrote:
Obviously one can do much better than Dolet 1 with Sibelius 6, but I don't
think this extends to Dolet 5.
Hi Michael,
Granted, your Dolet 5 is perhaps much more advanced than the earlier
versions. I'm sure you are doing a wonderful job there, and a very
useful one too.
Hi Kirill,
This is an interesting approach to Sibelius to LilyPond conversion. However, I
do agree with Carl's earlier message. It seems that a more generally useful
approach would be to improve MusicXML to LilyPond conversion.
The Dolet 5 for Sibelius and Dolet 5 for Finale converters both con
Kirill writes:
> Update for sib2ly released (v1.01, 2 Feb 2010)
>
> * Chord symbols now supported.
Confirmed.
> * sib2lydump.plg updated to work with Sibelius 5.
Confirmed.
I'm very impressed!
> Johan,
> When you reported that chords do not work, I misunderstood you at first.
> The chords a
Update for sib2ly released (v1.01, 2 Feb 2010)
* Chord symbols now supported.
* sib2lydump.plg updated to work with Sibelius 5.
* Fixed a serious bug with phrasing slurs.
* Odd cases like multiple BarRests per bar are handled more gracefuly.
* Various other bug fixes.
Updated version can be downl
Ewald Gutenkunst web.de> writes:
>
> Thanks - with ruby it works well on my mac.
>
> The pdf is made, but I have an error and warnings:
>
>
Dear Ewald,
You report really helped. There was indeed a bug with phrasing
slurs -- fixed now.
The problem with double bar rests is more of a Sibeli
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> > But maybe it is feasible to translate Kirill's XML into MusicXML using
> > nifty XSLT? Then we have best of at least two worlds.
>
> My XSLT-fu is pretty strong -- is this something that people will
> really use?
Do you want an honest answer?
Not me.
My personal i
On 2/2/10 9:18 AM, "Kirill" wrote:
> Carl,
> I promise I will maintain the project better, and will follow more robust
> testing procedures (absolutely essential for this kind of tool).
> I apologise for the temporary bugs, but the project is very-very young.
> I'm sure in a few weeks it wil
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool organum.hu> writes:
>
> But why don't you dump directly to lilypond? Because Sibelius plugin
> interface is not so good as writing in Ruby?
>
> Bert
>
That was my first naive attempt, to do all the work in a Sibelius plugin.
(That would have made things 100% port
Hi all,
> But maybe it is feasible to translate Kirill's XML into MusicXML using
> nifty XSLT? Then we have best of at least two worlds.
My XSLT-fu is pretty strong -- is this something that people will really use?
Cheers,
Kieren.
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Carl Sorensen writes:
> However, it seems to me to be less than ideal to have both Kirill's
> xml->ly converter and the lilypond xml2ly that Reinhold has worked
> on.
Well, though they both have xml in their names, they process a
fundamentally different xml. LP's XML converter handles MusicXML w
Kirill wrote:
To make things work via xml2ly, one would need to write:
1) A simple plugin for Sibelius to dump the score in some format preserving 100%
of what can be programmatically accessed using Sibelius ManuScript language.
Say, dump all the score elements into an .XML
2) Write an interprete
Carl Sorensen byu.edu> writes:
> This brings up an issue that has been concerning me in this whole thread.
>
> I believe that a good xml dump from Sibelius is a wonderful tool, and I'm
> delighted that Kirill has been working on it. Thanks, Kirill!
>
> However, it seems to me to be less than i
On 2/2/10 12:49 AM, "Johan Vromans" wrote:
> Kirill writes:
>
>
>> 4) Chords ARE produced by the converter, at least from Sib6 scores.
>
> There are chords in the .xml but not in the .ly.
>
This brings up an issue that has been concerning me in this whole thread.
I believe that a good xml
Ewald Gutenkunst web.de> writes:
>
>
>
> Am 01.02.2010 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Aberg:
> Ruby is a part of later Mac OS X; on 10.5.8: $ which ruby /usr/bin/ruby $ ruby
--version ruby 1.8.6 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 287) [universal-darwin9.0] Hans
>
> Thanks - with ruby it works well on my mac.
>
>
Am 01.02.2010 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Aberg:
> Ruby is a part of later Mac OS X; on 10.5.8:
> $ which ruby
> /usr/bin/ruby
> $ ruby --version
> ruby 1.8.6 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 287) [universal-darwin9.0]
>
> Hans
Thanks - with ruby it works well on my mac.
The pdf is made, but I have an er
Kirill writes:
> 1) NumStaveLines has apparently been introduced only in Sib6. Using
> the value of NumStaveLines the interpreter decides whether the staff
> is a normal staff or a rythmic staff (hence all your staves are
> RhythmicStaffs). I guess I will have to detect it differently for
> Sib5.
Johan Vromans squirrel.nl> writes:
>
> This is really very good stuff!
>
Johan,
Thank you for your report!
1) NumStaveLines has apparently been introduced only in Sib6. Using the value of
NumStaveLines the interpreter decides whether the staff is a normal staff or a
rythmic staff (hence all
Kirill writes:
> > Must I conclude that this, too, requires Sibelius 6 or higher?
>
> I have no way of testing if it works for Sibelius earlier than 5.
> However, I see no reason why it shouldn't work with Sibelius 5.
> I have only tested it with Sibelius 6, though.
>
> Try running the dump plu
Ewald Gutenkunst web.de> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Very interesting tool!
> is there any way to use it on Mac?
> The first step (the sib plugin) works already well.
>
> ~Ewald
>
I have uploaded the SIB2LY suite in form of Ruby scripts.
These should be useable on any platform that is capable of ru
On 1 Feb 2010, at 15:06, Johan Vromans wrote:
Ewald Gutenkunst writes:
Very interesting tool!
is there any way to use it on Mac?
The first step (the sib plugin) works already well.
It's written in ruby, so...
Ruby is a part of later Mac OS X; on 10.5.8:
$ which ruby
/usr/bin/ruby
$
Johan Vromans squirrel.nl> writes:
>
> Kirill yandex.ru> writes:
>
> > This new tool I wrote might be of interest to some:
> >
> > http://www.sidorefa.com/sib2ly/
>
> Must I conclude that this, too, requires Sibelius 6 or higher?
>
I have no way of testing if it works for Sibelius earlier
Ewald Gutenkunst web.de> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Very interesting tool!
> is there any way to use it on Mac?
> The first step (the sib plugin) works already well.
>
> ~Ewald
>
Yes, it should work on all platforms provided you have a Ruby interpreter.
I will update the instructions shortly.
_
Hi all,
I apologise for multiple posting this morning.
I replied to earlier threads where Sib->Ly conversion was discussed,
without realising it was going straight to the mailing-list to annoy everyone.
Sorry!!
Best,
Kirill Sidorov
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Kirill writes:
> This new tool I wrote might be of interest to some:
>
> http://www.sidorefa.com/sib2ly/
Must I conclude that this, too, requires Sibelius 6 or higher?
-- Johan
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Ewald Gutenkunst writes:
> Very interesting tool!
> is there any way to use it on Mac?
> The first step (the sib plugin) works already well.
It's written in ruby, so...
-- Johan
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Hi,
Very interesting tool!
is there any way to use it on Mac?
The first step (the sib plugin) works already well.
~Ewald
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This new tool I wrote might be of interest to some:
http://www.sidorefa.com/sib2ly/
To my best knowledge, this is the most powerful
Sibelius to LilyPond converter to date.
The whole thing is, of course, free and open source.
Tell me what you think.
Best,
Kirill Sidorov
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