Re: mmrest-of-length and partial measures/time chnages

2016-12-12 Thread Urs Liska
Am 12.12.2016 um 10:21 schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: > Hi Urs, > > just a note: Time-signatures aren't a problem. It just have to be made > sure, that start and end of the multi-measure-rest are placed on > measure borders (measure position 0). > > Example: > %%% > sectionI = { \time 4/4 s1*2 | \time

Re: mmrest-of-length and partial measures/time chnages

2016-12-12 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Urs, just a note: Time-signatures aren't a problem. It just have to be made sure, that start and end of the multi-measure-rest are placed on measure borders (measure position 0). Example: %%% sectionI = { \time 4/4 s1*2 | \time 3/4 s2.*2 } \new Staff << { \sectionI } $(mmrest-of-length

Re: mmrest-of-length and partial measures/time chnages

2016-12-12 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Jan-Peter, Am 12.12.2016 um 09:47 schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: > Hi Urs, > > this is a problem, I also had to deal with once in a while. > As it is no daily problem, I hacked it as needed, but did build a > generic solution yet. > But it might be doable, *if* the music is "complete" and has a > \p

Re: mmrest-of-length and partial measures/time chnages

2016-12-12 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Urs, this is a problem, I also had to deal with once in a while. As it is no daily problem, I hacked it as needed, but did build a generic solution yet. But it might be doable, *if* the music is "complete" and has a \partial command in it, which is #(make-music 'PartialSet 'duration (ly:mak

mmrest-of-length and partial measures/time chnages

2016-12-12 Thread Urs Liska
Hi all, I have a set-up where pausing sections in a part can be handled by automatically inserting multimeasure rests whose length is determined by a meta variable for the sections. As a MWE this looks like this: \version "2.19.52" sectionOne = { c,1 | c,1 } { #(mmrest-of-length sectionO

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread SoundsFromSound
> -- > David Kastrup That's what I had thought after reading what you wrote, but when I went to the code review page and read the back-and-forths, I was confused and thought maybe it wasn't "confirmed" or something. I think I need to spend some more time learning how the

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread David Kastrup
SoundsFromSound writes: > David Kastrup wrote >> See issue 3645, to appear in LilyPond 2.19.0 and likely in 2.18.1 (note >> that 2.18.0 will be released in few weeks at the earliest). >> >> If you follow >> ; to the >> Code Review, you

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread SoundsFromSound
d input file in a future version? Is that the overall plan? Or will that break something down the road? - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) --> http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Parti

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "SoundsFromSound" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Partial measures (in middle of score) I'm attempting to set a Classical-era piece using LilyPond and I can't figure out how to create partial measures in the

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/11/16 SoundsFromSound : > I'm attempting to set a Classical-era piece using LilyPond and I can't figure > out how to create partial measures in the middle of the score (while also > avoiding bar check failures). > > I can use the partial command at the beginning

Re: Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread David Kastrup
SoundsFromSound writes: > I'm attempting to set a Classical-era piece using LilyPond and I can't figure > out how to create partial measures in the middle of the score (while also > avoiding bar check failures). > > I can use the partial command at the beginning of my s

Partial measures (in middle of score)

2013-11-16 Thread SoundsFromSound
I'm attempting to set a Classical-era piece using LilyPond and I can't figure out how to create partial measures in the middle of the score (while also avoiding bar check failures). I can use the partial command at the beginning of my score without issue, but when it comes time to put

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 2/22/12 5:02 PM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: >>i guess that our policies need some clarification and/or >>simplification then.  It's not good when someone thinks he has to do >>more than there's actually necessary. > > Website, under Communi

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/22/12 5:02 PM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> On 22 February 2012 23:18, Xavier Scheuer wrote: >>> I need to install git, read the relevant n pages of the CG that >>> explain the whole procedure for doc additions and the specific part >>

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:40:46PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Xavier Scheuer writes: > > > And I have a life besides that (with work, duties, etc.). > > My entire time is not dedicated to LilyPond. > > But you expect others to have their "entire time" dedicated to LilyPond > and raise a stink

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > On 22 February 2012 23:18, Xavier Scheuer wrote: >> I need to install git, read the relevant n pages of the CG that >> explain the whole procedure for doc additions and the specific part >> for adding a new snippet (IIRC is not as easy as c

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 22 February 2012 23:18, Xavier Scheuer wrote: > > I need to install git, read the relevant n pages of the CG that explain > the whole procedure for doc additions and the specific part for adding > a new snippet (IIRC is not as easy as correcting a simple typo in the > doc), remind the texinfo s

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 22 February 2012 22:16, David Kastrup wrote: > > So what keeps you from doing it? I need to install git, read the relevant n pages of the CG that explain the whole procedure for doc additions and the specific part for adding a new snippet (IIRC is not as easy as correcting a simple typo in the

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > Yep. In fact, I reduced my lilypond work from 10 hours a week to > 5 hours a week directly because of Xavier's emails. That makes > things harder for the other developers, but screw it. Apparently > there's something called "a life", and I'm a bit curious to find > ou

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer writes: > On 22 February 2012 23:18, Xavier Scheuer wrote: >> >> I need to install git, read the relevant n pages of the CG that >> explain the whole procedure for doc additions and the specific part >> for adding a new snippet (IIRC is not as easy as correcting a simple >> typo i

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer writes: > I asked this new functionality to be explained in the Notation > Reference but AFAICS it is not. So what keeps you from doing it? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/m

Re: Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 22 February 2012 18:51, Patrick Karl wrote: > The Notation Reference states that: Bar numbers are typeset by > default at the start of every line except the first line. And there > is an official snippet which shows how to get the bar number printed > even at the first line. However, there i

Printing bar numbers for partial measures

2012-02-22 Thread Patrick Karl
The Notation Reference states that: Bar numbers are typeset by default at the start of every line except the first line. And there is an official snippet which shows how to get the bar number printed even at the first line. However, there is apparently an issue if the first measure on a line

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-26 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-06-25 um 02:49 schrieb Marc Mouries: Thank you, but mostly I have no choice but must reproduce some original. i have typeset several traditional score and don't remember seeing score with incomplete measures. Would you mind sending me or pointing me to some example? I don't need t

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 02:47:45 schrieben Sie: > thanks for the information but i really prefer my workaround because the > score in the example on the long-repeats is 1) incorrect as the code says > repeat volta 4 and the score does not show that some measure need to be > repeated 4 times and

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Mouries
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2011-06-24 um 18:56 schrieb Marc Mouries: > > > I like you was initially surprised that \partial are only allowed at the >> beginning. However I found that this can be avoided by simply moving the >> repeat sign. Example: Usually fo

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Mouries
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 18:56:00 schrieb Marc Mouries: > For a better understanding and some examples, I would recommend LilyPond's > notation reference: > http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/notation/long-repeats.html > > >

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 18:56:00 schrieb Marc Mouries: > I like you was initially surprised that \partial are only allowed at the > beginning. However I found that this can be avoided by simply moving the > repeat sign. Example: Usually fold songs are written like this: > \time 4/4 |: a8 | ..

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-06-24 um 18:55 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer: You don't need to use \partial for the final measure or repeats at all. Thank you for the hint - it didn't occur to me to try, since it seemed necessary in earlier versions. BTW: Some songbooks use partial measures at every

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-06-24 um 18:56 schrieb Marc Mouries: I like you was initially surprised that \partial are only allowed at the beginning. However I found that this can be avoided by simply moving the repeat sign. Example: Usually fold songs are written like this: \time 4/4 |: a8 | .. | ...

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 6/24/11 9:57 AM, "Henning Hraban Ramm" wrote: > Greetings again, > > since I mostly typeset folk songs, I need a lot of \partial measures > (e.g. at the end or at repeats). Mostly I don't think you need \partial measures. You can just put a \bar command in the

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Mouries
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Greetings again, > > since I mostly typeset folk songs, I need a lot of \partial measures (e.g. > at the end or at repeats). > > I can't understand why LilyPond since 2.13.xx throws warnings that \partial &

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 17:57:38 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: > Greetings again, > > since I mostly typeset folk songs, I need a lot of \partial measures > (e.g. at the end or at repeats). You don't need to use \partial for the final measure or repeats at all. I.e. it is

Re: markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 05:57:38PM +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Can someone explain why this was changed? (And I really would like > to continue using \partial or some other simple command!) Search the mailing list archives for the discussion which prompted the change in the first place. I

markup for partial measures

2011-06-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Greetings again, since I mostly typeset folk songs, I need a lot of \partial measures (e.g. at the end or at repeats). I can't understand why LilyPond since 2.13.xx throws warnings that \partial is only allowed at the beginning of a score. The manual says, I should use a monster

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Peter Chubb wrote Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:48 AM "Phil" == Phil Holmes writes: Phil> Rose, Here's a very simple version of some music laid out as Phil> hymns frequently seem to be. I think you should be able to use Phil> this to modify what you've already done. You don't need the pa

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Phil" == Phil Holmes writes: Phil> Rose, Here's a very simple version of some music laid out as Phil> hymns frequently seem to be. I think you should be able to use Phil> this to modify what you've already done. You don't need the partials except at the start. See some of the hymns I'v

please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-16 Thread Rose Mawhorter
Hi all, I've been stewing over what should be simple all afternoon. I documentation seems to be getting me no where. I'm working on entering an old hymn. The piece has an upbeat, which I'm having a bit of trouble with. The partial measures also repeat throughout the hymn. My tr

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-15 Thread Phil Holmes
3:39 PM Subject: please help a newbie with partial measures Hi all, I've been stewing over what should be simple all afternoon. I documentation seems to be getting me no where. I'm working on entering an old hymn. The piece has an upbeat, which I'm having a bit of trouble wit

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
James Lowe wrote Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:16 PM I looked at the URL you referred to, it does seem odd from my point of view that while there is a partial on the first bar, that partial instead of being made up on the last bar of the piece is actually made up after the first few bars and th

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Patrick Schmidt
Hi Rose, Am 14.08.2010 um 16:39 schrieb Rose Mawhorter: Hi all, I've been stewing over what should be simple all afternoon. I documentation seems to be getting me no where. I'm working on entering an old hymn. The piece has an upbeat, which I'm having a bit of trouble wi

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 14 August 2010 18:09, Rose Mawhorter wrote: > > Xavier, > Here's what I wrote to Phil. Is it really so simple as to add \bar "|" to > the end of every line? I'm sorry if I bothered you all for that! Yes. Actually the pipe symbol '|' just *check* there is effectively a bar line at this precise

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread James Lowe
Hello, On 14/08/2010 17:20, Rose Mawhorter wrote: > Maybe I spoke too soon. I've got the bar lines in the correct places now > BUT the compiler rejects my slurs. Surely there must be a better way of > doing this! I looked at the URL you referred to, it does seem odd from my point of view that w

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Rose Mawhorter
Maybe I spoke too soon. I've got the bar lines in the correct places now BUT the compiler rejects my slurs. Surely there must be a better way of doing this! Thanks again. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Rose Mawhorter wrote: > Xavier, > Here's what I wrote to Phil. Is it really so simple as to

Fwd: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Rose Mawhorter
al would help working this out. > > Also - it helps us if you provide an illustration that compiles on its own > - yours didn't, because it was (presumably) missing: > > \include "english.ly" > and where you set your tune equal to "melody" meant that noth

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 14 August 2010 17:06, Phil Holmes wrote: > > Rose, > > I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to do - is it that you're > wanting to put extra bar lines before each partial, to mark the start > of a section of lyrics?  A scan of the original would help working > this out. Agree. Plus inserti

Re: please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Phil Holmes
ser@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: please help a newbie with partial measures Hi all, I've been stewing over what should be simple all afternoon. I documentation seems to be getting me no where. I'm working on entering an old hymn. The piece has an u

please help a newbie with partial measures

2010-08-14 Thread Rose Mawhorter
Hi all, I've been stewing over what should be simple all afternoon. I documentation seems to be getting me no where. I'm working on entering an old hymn. The piece has an upbeat, which I'm having a bit of trouble with. The partial measures also repeat throughout the hymn. My tr

Re: Partial measures

2009-02-24 Thread jpeters
__ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Partial-measures-tp22143202p22189036.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list arch

Re: Partial measures

2009-02-23 Thread M Watts
jpeters wrote: One way to do this is with measureLength: \relative c'' { \time 4/4 \repeat volta 2 { \partial 8 gis8 |

Re: Re: Partial measures

2009-02-22 Thread nick . payne
> -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >

Re: Partial measures

2009-02-22 Thread jpeters
the barchecks work. Could you attach the > whole file so I can have a look. I'm curious about this. > > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lily

Re: Partial measures

2009-02-22 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Nick Payne wrote: Jon What you have below works fine with the small example, but when I remove the \partial at the beginning of the 2nd repeat in the actual score, not only do I not get the partial measure, but Lilypond gets quite bamboozled (see attached png of the final page) and forgets to pu

RE: Partial measures

2009-02-22 Thread Nick Payne
nd-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Partial measures > > Nick Payne wrote: > > I'm engraving a piece that has partial measures at the beginning and > end of > > both repeats. The piece is in 4/4 time, with the initial measure of > each > > repeat being 1/

Re: Partial measures

2009-02-21 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Nick Payne wrote: I'm engraving a piece that has partial measures at the beginning and end of both repeats. The piece is in 4/4 time, with the initial measure of each repeat being 1/8 and the final measure 7/8. In a minimal example, eg \relative c'' { \time 4/4

Partial measures

2009-02-21 Thread Nick Payne
I'm engraving a piece that has partial measures at the beginning and end of both repeats. The piece is in 4/4 time, with the initial measure of each repeat being 1/8 and the final measure 7/8. In a minimal example, eg \relative c'' { \time 4/4

Re: Partial measures at the end of a piece

2008-06-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Steven, Is there a good way to have a partial measure at the end of a piece and not get barcheck warnings? Since it's the end of the piece, why not just leave off the final | in your code? Its absence will not stop the actual (visible/engraved) barline from appearing... If you really

Partial measures at the end of a piece

2008-06-11 Thread Steven Weber
Is there a good way to have a partial measure at the end of a piece and not get barcheck warnings? The manual says that using \partial is only supported at the beginning of a piece, and you should expect warnings if you use it elsewhere, but the only other alternative I've come up with is much les

Re: Hiding staves with partial measures of only rests

2005-09-18 Thread Peter Mogensen
Sorry... I should have search the ML first. It's the exact same problem as: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-04/msg9.html I'd like to second that feature request (including showing R4 as r4, when not hidden). Peter ___ lilypon

Hiding staves with partial measures of only rests

2005-09-18 Thread Peter Mogensen
Hi, I'm trying to perfect a score, and I like that I can hide empty staffs with \context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext } This works fine when I use multimeasure rests like: R1*16 But since the piece I have starts with \partial 4*3 It therefore ends with a partial measure with on a r4 This "r4"

Re: alternatives and partial measures

2005-09-12 Thread Mats Bengtsson
I managed to do it using the \partial command in the following way: \version "2.7.6" \score{ \relative c'' { \repeat volta 2 { \time 6/8 \partial 8 c8 c4. c4. | } \alternative { { \partial 8*5 c4. c4 } { c4. c4 } } \bar "||" \partial 8 c8 | c2

alternatives and partial measures

2005-09-11 Thread D Josiah Boothby
Using the autopackage 2.7.6, in a Debian environment. I'm trying to create alternative repeats that start and end inside of measures, such as: \version "2.7.6" \score{ \relative c'' { \repeat volta 2 { \time 6/8 \partial 8 c8 c4. c4. } \alternative { { c4. c

Re: Partial measures

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 06 May 2005 11.43, Georges Roux wrote: > Erik Sandberg write : > >You can try adding "\grace s8" directly after any event that is > > incorrectly placed after the grace note. > > > >(e.g., {\global \grace {s8} s1} iso \global) > > Is that correct? I think the extra \grace s8 in \global w

Re: Partial measures

2005-05-06 Thread Georges Roux
Erik Sandberg write : >You can try adding "\grace s8" directly after any event that is incorrectly >placed after the grace note. > >(e.g., {\global \grace {s8} s1} iso \global) > > > Is that correct? global = { \clef "G_8" \time 2/4 \partial4 \grace s8 } upperVoice = \relati

Re: Partial measures

2005-05-05 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Thursday 05 May 2005 23.11, Georges Roux wrote: > How grace notes can take part at start of the music? > > I know that partial command does not take into account grace notes at start > > \grace a8\glissando \partial 4 c8-4 c8 \bar "||" %1 > > Have some problem with it, how can I do that? > Thank

Partial measures

2005-05-05 Thread Georges Roux
How grace notes can take part at start of the music? I know that partial command does not take into account grace notes at start \grace a8\glissando \partial 4 c8-4 c8 \bar "||" %1 Have some problem with it, how can I do that? Thanks Georges \version "2.5.21" \header { title = "Maria" sub

Stanza Numbers with a Repeat in Partial Measures

2004-11-13 Thread Rob V
My stanza numbers don't appear when I use a partial measure to begin a repeat at the beginning of a staff. I've included an example below. I'm using Cygwin 2.2.5. Is this a bug, or will it work in a newer version? Rob \version "2.2.5" \header { title = "Repeat Error"

Grace notes in partial measures

2004-06-25 Thread Randall J Elzinga
Hey everyone, I have the following in a lilypond file \header{title= "Grace Bug"} \score{ \notes{ \time 4/4 \relative f' { \partial 4*1 f4|\partial 4*3 \grace{ g 8} f2. \bar "|."}}} When I run it through lilypond, it generates an extra bar empty bar after the last note. If I take out the \grace g

Re: partial measures

2002-07-17 Thread mrmoo
I had indeed been using the -P param. with ly2dvi, and that would give me the errors (see earlier postings). I'll try what you suggest when I get home. For now I shall occupy myself with working on the .ly file, now that I know I'll be able to get what I want! :-) Thanks for your input, --Mark

Re: partial measures

2002-07-17 Thread Erik Sandberg
> But for some bizarre reason that I've not tracked down yet, the ly2dvi > command doesn't work directly. Oh well, just one extra step. How, then, do you invoke ly2dvi? ly2dvi is just a script, and "ly2dvi myfile.ly" should basically do "lilypond myfile.ly;tex myfile.tex" (plus some extra hand

Re: partial measures

2002-07-16 Thread Mark M. Wilson
Oh, I see -- I was thinking I had to specify the 'balance,' i.e. the other 11 beats of the 12-count bar. Thanks! And I just 'solved' the other problem -- I ran 'lilypond myfile.ly' with no output type specified, and this of course generated the default 'myfile.tex' file. Then I ran 'tex myfile.t

Re: partial measures

2002-07-16 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 00.39, Mark M. Wilson wrote: > I'm trying to write an eighth-note pickup to a full measure in 12/8 > time. I wrote: > \partial 11 e8 > but this doesn't work. The syntax reference didn't give an example, and > since I'm apparently an idiot, I can't figure out what kind

Re: partial measures

2002-07-16 Thread Kev
> I'm trying to write an eighth-note pickup to a full measure in 12/8 > time. I wrote: > \partial 11 e8 > but this doesn't work. The syntax reference didn't give an example, and > since I'm apparently an idiot, I can't figure out what kind of number or > what value I'm supposed to specify. What

partial measures

2002-07-16 Thread Mark M. Wilson
I'm trying to write an eighth-note pickup to a full measure in 12/8 time. I wrote: \partial 11 e8 but this doesn't work. The syntax reference didn't give an example, and since I'm apparently an idiot, I can't figure out what kind of number or what value I'm supposed to specify. What should foll