Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-04 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op vrijdag 03 april 2009, schreef David Stocker: > It would be great if there was a > shorthand for this in LilyPond code for situations (like in many forms > of popular music) an accompaniment pattern consists of many repeated > chords--perhaps something like ""--simply instructing LilyPond to >

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
Thanks for catching this! Both have been fixed. Andrew On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Francisco Vila wrote: > 2009/4/3 Johan Vromans : >> Andrew Hawryluk writes: >> >>> http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html >> >> How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/3 Jonathan Kulp : > What's nice about Lilypond from my "composer's" point of view is that it's > gotten me back to writing music with pencil and paper instead of doing it in > Finale. I've realized for a while that in some pieces Finale was making me > lazy as a composer (and the same happe

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread David Stocker
Please see this picture of what it looks like when I'm hand-writing music with repeated chords. http://notesettersinc.com/Hal_Leonard_Project-1.html Notice that I don't write out each repeated chord in the manuscript. It's understood by the editors and engravers that the "|" means simply "pri

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op vrijdag 03-04-2009 om 13:21 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Valentin Villenave: > Count me in! Yay, independent informed comments! /me hits ^R :-) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org __

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Nick Payne wrote: ... That's a real interesting report!. You note that entering chords in lilypond is real slow as compared to using MIDI entry. While that's no surprise, I wonder if there's anything that we can or should do about it. Typing <> is just real awkward... Try setting guitar sco

RE: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Nick Payne
lilypond-user@gnu.org; Nicolas Sceaux > Subject: Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's > Opera) > > ... > That's a real interesting report!. You note that entering chords in > lilypond is real slow as compared to using MIDI entry. > > While th

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/3 Jan Nieuwenhuizen : > Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 18:00 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen > Nienhuys: > >> I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... > > Indeed, thanks for all the praise!  For sure its more fun to read than > eg http://lwn.net/Articles/32669

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Johan Vromans wrote: Andrew Hawryluk writes: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has been discussed here several times. It may turn

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 18:00 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: > I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... Indeed, thanks for all the praise! For sure its more fun to read than eg http://lwn.net/Articles/326698/ > Do we now have a team that takes c

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/3 Johan Vromans : > Andrew Hawryluk writes: > >> http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html > > How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers > from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has > been discussed here several times. > > It ma

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Andrew Hawryluk writes: > http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has been discussed here several times. It may turn readers away from LP. -- Johan

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 21:53 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Andrew Hawryluk: Hi Andrew, The full report is at > http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html, but here's my > conclusion: > "At least for me, MIDI entry is much faster than typing the pitches > and durations myself. That's

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Graham Percival
No, but we will in two months plus three days. I'll keep a reminder about this thread for that time. Cheers, - Graham On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:00:02PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... > Do we now have a team that takes car

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Valentin Villenave wrote: >> To me, note entry is much, much, much faster with LilyPond than with >> Fin/Sib. (even using a MIDI keyboard -- which, by the way, is one of >> the less enjoyable experiences I know of). > > I concur here. I am much

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread lasconic
For sure, a musical jazz font will be very useful! There a couple of threads in the mailing list about this. rosea wrote: > > Nice to read this thread. > I'm wondering what about more modern or 'light' music, like POP and > Jazz? How does it compare in this area? And what should be and can be

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Grammostola Rosea
David Stocker wrote: I offer LilyPond engraving alongside output from Finale and Sibelius. None of my corporate clients ask for LilyPond, but I recommend it to them for classical engraving (of which I do very little). I have a handful of folks who take output from LilyPond. David Stocker http

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/2 Han-Wen Nienhuys : > I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... >  Do we now have a team that takes care of this? I am tempted to translate the whole thread into Spanish for our list, or large chunks at least. Wise, serious, experienced contributions. Thanks to

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... Do we now have a team that takes care of this? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Neil Thornock wrote: >> The way that music is entered for LilyPond causes me to think in a more >> musical way - there have been times when I've b

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Neil Thornock
I will agree with many of the preceding posts that entry of notes, slurs, etc, is faster for me in Lily than in Finale. However, with every new piece I have to devise a new hack to accomplish a certain advanced thing - even as simple a thing as a slanted hairpin or a cross-staff slur, which I simp

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Snyder
Valentin Villenave wrote: > To me, note entry is much, much, much faster with LilyPond than with > Fin/Sib. (even using a MIDI keyboard -- which, by the way, is one of > the less enjoyable experiences I know of). I concur here. I am much faster with Lily than I suspect I ever could be with a graph

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Han-Wen, you can have the best of both worlds if you enter using finale and then musicxml2ly to go to .ly and do the typesetting. Now that I think about it, I was originally just talking about "slamming in the pitches/durations"... Once I factor in the slurs, articulations, dynamics, text

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi all, > >>> In my experience, LilyPond *is* capable of producing scores of the >>> highest caliber.  However, I often spend so much time tweaking the >>> score to get it to look perfect that it really becomes a labor of love. > > I used F

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/2 Kieren MacMillan : > I used Finale for over a decade, eventually becoming the computer music lab > tutor/assistant at Shepherd School of Music (while doing my Master of Music > there) -- I was as nimble with Finale as anyone I knew (know). I estimate > that, for me, note entry is ca. 3x f

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, In my experience, LilyPond *is* capable of producing scores of the highest caliber. However, I often spend so much time tweaking the score to get it to look perfect that it really becomes a labor of love. I used Finale for over a decade, eventually becoming the computer music lab

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread David Stocker
I offer LilyPond engraving alongside output from Finale and Sibelius. None of my corporate clients ask for LilyPond, but I recommend it to them for classical engraving (of which I do very little). I have a handful of folks who take output from LilyPond. David Stocker http://notesettersinc.com

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Neil Thornock wrote: I am curious who out there is in a professional music-related position that relies on Lilypond when Finale or Sibelius is also an option provided by the employer. I'm one. Just curious who else. Me too. I'm a music history professor and I have a school-provided copy o

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-02 Thread Neil Thornock
>>    Reinhold> The only problems appear when trying to create >>    Reinhold> good-looking full scores for the conductor (part > >> I agree. > > I don't, actually... In my experience, LilyPond *is* capable of producing scores of the highest caliber. However, I often spend so much time tweaking t

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-02 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Kieren" == Kieren MacMillan writes: Kieren> Then again, I *never* use \partcombine, and I manually Kieren> tweak vertical spacing a fair bit, so that might be where Kieren> you are running into problems with your scores. I've always assumed that with some manual tweaking the s

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Laura, Reinhold, etc. Reinhold> The only problems appear when trying to create Reinhold> good-looking full scores for the conductor (part I agree. I don't, actually... While I think Lilypond could clearly do an even better job, I regularly engrave my full scores, reduced score

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-02 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Reinhold" == Reinhold Kainhofer writes: Reinhold> The musicians really liked the good look of the score. Reinhold> The only problems appear when trying to create Reinhold> good-looking full scores for the conductor (part Reinhold> combining is unusable and vertical stretch

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 19:25:02 Nicolas Sceaux wrote: > Le 1 avr. 09 à 13:41, Valentin Villenave a écrit : > > No matter the value of this project itself (or possibly lack thereof, > > time will tell), what makes me proud is that I've been able to

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 1 avr. 09 à 20:17, Francisco Vila a écrit : 2009/4/1 Nicolas Sceaux : The première of Haendel's Giulio Cesare in Romania was perfomed using a LilyPond score, as will be the première of Lully's Armide in Houston, or instrumental pieces from Rameau's Hippolyte et Aricie next month in New Y

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 1 avr. 09 à 19:55, Jonathan Kulp a écrit : Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hello, all! LilyPond scores are used for real, serious stuff. This gets me to thinking... the website should have a section listing recent productions & performances which used Lilypond scores! What does everyone think?

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/1 Kieren MacMillan : > Hello, all! > >> LilyPond scores are used for real, serious stuff. > > This gets me to thinking... the website should have a section listing recent > productions & performances which used Lilypond scores! > What does everyone think? Definitely, it should. -- Francis

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/1 Nicolas Sceaux : > The première of Haendel's Giulio Cesare in Romania was perfomed using > a LilyPond score, as will be the première of Lully's Armide in Houston, > or instrumental pieces from Rameau's Hippolyte et Aricie next month in > New York, and the full opera next year in England. L

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hello, all! LilyPond scores are used for real, serious stuff. This gets me to thinking... the website should have a section listing recent productions & performances which used Lilypond scores! What does everyone think? Genius idea. Nicolas, are they using your e

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/1 Kieren MacMillan : > This gets me to thinking... the website should have a section listing recent > productions & performances which used Lilypond scores! > What does everyone think? Sure! Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lily

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello, all! LilyPond scores are used for real, serious stuff. This gets me to thinking... the website should have a section listing recent productions & performances which used Lilypond scores! What does everyone think? Regards, Kieren. ___ lil

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 1 avr. 09 à 13:41, Valentin Villenave a écrit : No matter the value of this project itself (or possibly lack thereof, time will tell), what makes me proud is that I've been able to pursue the path opened by people like Nicolas Sceaux, Kieren, Trevor B., Jose Padovani and several others, and t

Re: Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-04-01 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/1 Francisco Vila : > At the same time, you all know what's the relation between the article > and LilyPond: although not mentioned in the text, the first opera by > Valentin Villenave is licensed as free software, and it has been fully > typeset using Lily. It has been a remarkable absolute

Review of Valentin's Opera

2009-03-31 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello all, You all know that the language of the concert reviews is sometimes a bit 'special' and you'll understand my difficulties in the task of translating this one from a Spanish magazine, Ópera Actual. I beg your pardon for the numerous grammar inaccuracies. At the same time, you all know wh