Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Trevor, >> You mean Lilypond can’t handle << \global \lyrics >>, where \global contains >> the repeat structure? > > Depends. Thanks for the clarification, and the various links. Interesting, all. I hope there’s an opportunity to fix this soon, and completely. Much like the irritating grac

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, > I hope there is no intention to drop the MIDI output. Oh, goodness, no! Even though I don’t yet use it myself, I *want* to (soon), and I know it’s very important to others. Killer MIDI output would be a significant selling point for potential new users — along with MusicXML, it should b

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Gilles wrote Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:52 AM > I hope there is no intention to drop the MIDI output. > For me, it is extremely useful to be able to figure out how > an arrangement will sound. > With all its shortcomings, it's still infinitely better than > nothing. :-) No, there's no suggesti

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
Hello. [...] MIDI is widely acknowledged to be a relatively unimportant part of LP [...] I hope there is no intention to drop the MIDI output. For me, it is extremely useful to be able to figure out how an arrangement will sound. With all its shortcomings, it's still infinitely better than not

Fw: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
From: "Trevor Daniels" To: "Kieren MacMillan" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests) Kieren MacMillan wrote Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:19 PM

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Tuesday, April 21, 2015 2:13 PM > My question *was*, ultimately, more of a technical inquiry than a feature > request: I never use MIDI, or anything except visual output, so at least in > the foreseeable future this feature/bug/whatever has no noticeable impact on > my l

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Trevor, > Sure you did, but the point of the example the OP submitted from the NR was > to show how to allow lyrics to be unfolded along with the music. Ah. Sorry for the noise. >> 1. Shouldn’t we be [heavily] promoting, even in tiny snippets, the use of >> global variables to hold \repeat

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Trevor, > I think the standard response to this is "patches welcome" ;) Touché! ;) > No doubt it could - but only if someone was prepared to put the effort into > coding it. My question *was*, ultimately, more of a technical inquiry than a feature request: I never use MIDI, or anything

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Monday, April 20, 2015 9:00 PM > Can \repeat not be defined so that — possibly with parameters/switches — it > will Do The Right Thing™ in all engraved (e.g., PDF), expressed (e.g., MIDI), > and other (e.g., MusicXML) output streams without requiring poor or > inefficien

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Monday, April 20, 2015 5:05 PM > On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Trevor Daniels wrote: > >> [snip incomplete example] > > Is it really a best practice to put \repeat volta structures in multiple > locations? I just responded to a post a few days ago where (I believe, though

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Mats, > No, that's asking for trouble! The code should primarily reflect the musical > interpretation, not just the notation. In know that it works to do as you > propose in many examples, but it clearly does not work if you use > \unfoldRepeats (in MIDI), for example. Can \repeat not be de

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-20 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 04/20/2015 08:01 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: 1. Shouldn?t we be [heavily] promoting, even in tiny snippets, the use of global variables to hold \repeat structures that are used in multiple places? No, that's asking for trouble! The code should primarily reflect the musical interpretation

best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Trevor Daniels wrote: > \score { > << >\new Staff { > \time 2/4 > \new Voice = "melody" { >\relative c'' { > a4 a a a > \repeat volta 2 { b4 b } > \alternative { { \vrest b } { \vrest c } } >} > }