2008/10/15 Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I notice the cool alto clef doesn't have any space in front (to the left)
> like the other clefs. Is this normal for this clef, or does it need to be
> tweaked?
It's just because I found it a bit weird, but you can easily add this
space by comment
Jonathan Kulp wrote:
Cool!! I've attached the infamous Ravel quartet snippet that prompted
me to post the query about this clef in the first place. Your C clef
looks nice in there, almost like the original. Of course in this
passage there's a switch to treble clef, and when it returns to alto
In the midst of the discussion about different styles of clefs I
mentioned an "English"* style of bass clef. A clear image of such a
clef can be seen here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oldbassclef.png
It's called "old bass clef" there.
-David
*I called it "English" because I've only s
> A high-resolution version of a similar clef is here:
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notenschl%C3%BCssel#C-Schl.C3.BCssel
>
> However, the font designer does not seem to have invested very much
> time in it's design, and the engraver used is not mentioned.
I've *never* seen this design. Maybe
A high-resolution version of a similar clef is here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notenschl%C3%BCssel#C-Schl.C3.BCssel
However, the font designer does not seem to have invested very much time
in it's design, and the engraver used is not mentioned.
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Eyolf Østrem wrote:
> I suppose this thread brings up the issue of styles: since the mentioned
> clef is not really a new SIGN just a different GLYPH, are there other such
> signs that we want?
The one I stumbled across some while ago is an alternate D'al Segno
glyph, depicted here:
http:/
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Bobroff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've
seen this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is
somewhere in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style
'K' typ
> I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693.
> For what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is
> to be found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it
> in trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the
> Ravel Concerto for l
On 09.10.2008 (18:07), David Bobroff wrote:
> I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've seen
> this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is somewhere
> in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style 'K' type.
> There is also anot
That's the other French C clef variety I was talking about. I'll see if
I can get a fairly clean one to scan.
David
Werner LEMBERG wrote:
I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I
have on hand or on an internet search. [...]
BTW, looking into a impressionistic Fre
> I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I
> have on hand or on an internet search. [...]
BTW, looking into a impressionistic French full score, I can see
another variant of the alto clef, which looks approximately like this:
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I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've
seen this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is
somewhere in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style
'K' type. There is also another type of bass clef that I think of as
"English"
I suppose this thread brings up the issue of styles: since the mentioned
clef is not really a new SIGN just a different GLYPH, are there other such
signs that we want? What about the "Fake book" style (a more
hand-written'ish style)? Or, perhaps more pertinent, since it's already
half there: a comp
Cool!! I've attached the infamous Ravel quartet snippet that prompted
me to post the query about this clef in the first place. Your C clef
looks nice in there, almost like the original. Of course in this
passage there's a switch to treble clef, and when it returns to alto,
the clef is a teenc
On 09.10.2008 (16:51), Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> Well, of course, but the idea is not to `trace' such a glyph but to
> generate it, using mathematical rules, in particular to make it
> optically fit to different sizes, similar to the other feta glyphs.
While we're on this subject: there's another qu
>From: David Bobroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For
>what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be
>found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in
>trombone parts of French pieces and this ex
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Valentin,
>
> Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
> FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Better yet: here's a ready-to-use snippet.
altoClef = \markup \postscript #"
gsave newp
I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For
what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be
found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in
trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the Ravel
Concerto for left h
I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have
on hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file
downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be
better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res.
If n
> What about automatic tools such as mftrace? If you had a
> high-resolution scan, would you be able to generate code by
> vectorizing it?
Well, of course, but the idea is not to `trace' such a glyph but to
generate it, using mathematical rules, in particular to make it
optically fit to different
2008/10/9 Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you
>> write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there
>> graphic editors somewhere?)
>
> I write plain code.
[OT]
What about automatic tools such as mftrace? If you
Thanks Werner. You were right. The package in the Ubuntu repo is
pretty old. I got the latest version in a .deb package here:
http://espelhos.edugraf.ufsc.br/ubuntu/pool/main/f/fontforge/
The sourceforge site only has .rpm packages, which my system doesn't
handle very well.
To my eye Vale
> Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you
> write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there
> graphic editors somewhere?)
I write plain code.
> but I have tried to draw a glyph in FontForge (see attached file,
> you may open it using FontForge). Don
> Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
> FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Your FontForge version is probably too old. The SFD format has
changed.
Werner
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2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Valentin,
>
> Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
> FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Yes. Same error. Weird :-)
>
> Jon
>
> Valentin Villenave wrote:
>>
>> 2008/10/9 Valentin Vill
Valentin,
Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Jon
Valentin Villenave wrote:
2008/10/9 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell d
Oh, thanks for telling me that, Valentin. I wasn't sure whether the
list would get the message or not, but I assumed I would get a note back
if it failed, saying I needed to be a subscriber. I never got one so I
thought it must have gone though. Now I know. Thanks for taking care
of it for
2008/10/9 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you
write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there
graphic editors somewhere?) but I have tried to draw a glyph in
FontForge (see attached file, you may open it usi
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> All the more reason to have it available to us! I've submitted the request
> to bug-lily as suggested so perhaps it will appear in a future release.
Nothing yet on the bug list; may I remind you that as a non-subscriber
the first line of any mail yo
Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
No. Please make a report to bug-lilypond so that it gets added to the
wishlist.
I think it's quite a common clef, actually. I come across a moderate
amount of alto clef stuff (naturally, seeing as I'm a trombonist :-) and
I've met exactly this clef (up a third, of
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Werner LEMBERG
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
When I was working on the ill-fated Ravel String Quartet passage as
an unfretted strings headword, I noticed that the original score had
a very cool-looking alto clef. I know Lilypond has tons of
odd-looking objects for
> When I was working on the ill-fated Ravel String Quartet passage as
> an unfretted strings headword, I noticed that the original score had
> a very cool-looking alto clef. I know Lilypond has tons of
> odd-looking objects for early music, but I couldn't find a replica
> of this clef. Does a cl
When I was working on the ill-fated Ravel String Quartet passage as an
unfretted strings headword, I noticed that the original score had a very
cool-looking alto clef. I know Lilypond has tons of odd-looking objects
for early music, but I couldn't find a replica of this clef. Does a
clef like
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