Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 5/06/2015 2:25 PM, James Collins wrote: > I used to be a Systems Programmer/Analyst at Sperry/Univac. I got to know Exec8 quite well. Another now useless skill. > Then I pick up my Tablet device and look for a Digital Movie to watch while > I engage in the International pool of information and

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread James Collins
I used to be a Systems Programmer/Analyst at Sperry/Univac. Until you've seen the front panel on one them, and set a few register switches, you just haven't lived! Best job in the world; greatest fun _ever_. Some days I miss the simplicity of examining Core dumps and explaining to Defence why a bi

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 5/06/2015 1:12 PM, David Lochrin wrote: > Did you ever learn the boot sequence which had to be keyed in to those > neon-light register switches on the front panel of a Univac 418 (:-)? No but I did learn it for a ConPac 4020 process control machine with 4k of magnetic core and a paper-tape re

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread David Lochrin
On 2015-06-05 11:11 JanW wrote: > At 11:00 AM 5/06/2015, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >>Arguing somewhat against my suggestion that STEM is the way to go, I suggest >>that the most important skill is "critical thinking". > > Yep, I agree with that. It's another level higher again in the hierar

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread JanW
At 11:00 AM 5/06/2015, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >Arguing somewhat against my suggestion that STEM is the way to go, I >suggest that the most important skill is "critical thinking". Yep, I agree with that. It's another level higher again in the hierarchy of 'skills'. Creativity is another

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
Arguing somewhat against my suggestion that STEM is the way to go, I suggest that the most important skill is "critical thinking". I put it in quotes because there are many definitions of the term, however, I would go along with any that incorporated two essential components: 1) Reason/logic .

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread JanW
At 09:39 AM 5/06/2015, David Lochrin wrote: >But I just felt embarrassed listening to poor Bill going on about "coding"... >I'm sure any decent interviewer would soon reveal he knew as much about >"coding" as Brandis does (or did) about "metadata". Most of our politicians read what they're han

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread David Lochrin
On 2015-06-03 23:12 Bernard Robertson wrote: > Education in the STEM fundamentals last a lifetime, and I speak from > experience. My first, second and third degrees, finished in the early 1970s, > are still totally relevant today. The knowledge and expertise I acquired on > such things as the 8

Re: [LINK] Let's pause before drinking the 'coding in schools' Kool-Aid

2015-06-04 Thread Tom Worthington
On 03/06/15 17:13, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > There is far more to technology, in general, and Information Systems in > particular, than coding ... There are ways,m other than coding, to interest students in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics): Information Technology Ed