Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Craig Vernon
Please no more speculation on this nonsense. You are all starting to get suspicious of IBM based on some groundless speculation. It could be that someone that looks after the publication went to the funny farm and the guy that took over left the chapter out. Based on my idle speculation I don't th

Re: Hi there...

2002-04-15 Thread Craig Vernon
Oops, sorry Jay. Regards, Craig Gregg C Levine

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread John Summerfield
> > >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/16259 is the origina > l. > > >> >Tells you more > > >> >about the Hercules effort in one post than a year of reading would do. > > > > FWIW - I tried to read it (and I have a Yahoo groups login,) but > > apparently it's restricted to me

Re: General Linux Question

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Samy, Chris, It's not _guaranteed_ that you'll damage your NTFS file system. I've used it several times in write mode with no problems, but have had problems on other occasions. The driver is listed as VERY experimental in write mode, and deservedly so. To my knowledge, read mode has not cause

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread John Summerfield
> > As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without > > incrementing the version number, contrary to normal IBM > > practice), and *all* > > references to Hercules have been carefully expunged! > > Anyone with a clue what's going on? Suspicious of rewriting history! > > Pure s

Re: Hi there...

2002-04-15 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine writing for myself Nice post Craig, except for one problem. His name is Jay, not John. But I won't stun you over it. And nice to see you here, Jay, anyway. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] "T

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread John Summerfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Clearing the decks for a 'Cease and Desist'. IBM can hardly issue > one if some of its own documentation seems to sanction Hercules. It's > come a bit late, too - back in Autumn I posted that I expected it in > mid-February, but I guess lawyers get paid by the hour.

Re: Hi there...

2002-04-15 Thread Craig Vernon
John, I am not a licensed or practising attorney but I do have legal qualifications, so I can render an opinion but not for a fee (though I can for wage to my employer?? because that falls under self representation)! This is my own personal opinion and I do not purport to represent anyone else.

Re: General Linux Question

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Now, now. That excuse worked once/twice before. We're not going to let you get away with it forever! :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Chris Little [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: General Linux Question -snip- ch

Re: Hi there...

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Probably. I think we've helped just about everyone else who wanted to do it to succeed. Exactly what problems are you seeing, and how are you trying to install it? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Jay Maynard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL

A note of thanks!

2002-04-15 Thread Paul Trammell
Although I spent most of the day packing and moving from point A to point Z, I wanted to log on here this evening and take the time to thank everyone for their suggestions, insights and documentation links that contributed to me getting the correct CHANDEV parameters for my environment. I did ge

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Phil Payne
- Original Message - From: "Alan Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:59 AM Subject: Re: OK who messed with the redbook? > > If the goal is for IBM to protect the 390 intellectual property, they have > > to be "vigilant and/or diligent

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Mike Ross
snip.. >According to Jay's site the product is called: "The Hercules System/370, >ESA/390, and >z/Architecture Emulator". > >That's three IBM trademarks, right there. No, that's the *title* of the *page* Phil! It tells you what the page is about (Hercules) and what that is (it's a System/370, ESA

Re: Problem installing IBM SEK for Linux on SuSE SLES7 beta

2002-04-15 Thread John Summerfield
> We are not looking for a free ride here. If we were running production > applications, we would have a support contract. I am still at the > proof of concept stage trying to convince people here there is some merit > in even evaluating Linux on S/390. There is a lot of resistance to > introducin

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Alan Cox
> If the goal is for IBM to protect the 390 intellectual property, they have > to be "vigilant and/or diligent" in pursuing and enforcing copyright and > usage of same. If they let this slide, then some other smart lawyer type I know of no jurisdiction this is the actual case for copyrigh

Re: General Linux Question

2002-04-15 Thread Chris Little
There is an NTFS module available. If I'm not mistaken, read works pretty well, and if you want to trash your fs, you can use write. It's been in the works for quite awhile, but it is apparently very difficult on the write side of things. Yes, you have to compile the module, and there should

General Linux Question

2002-04-15 Thread Rengasamy, Samy
How to access NTFS from Linux? Is there an easy way to access NTFS File system from SuSe Linux in a dual boot PC? Do I have to recompile the kernel to do this? Thanks, Samy Rengasamy.

[Patch] Patch for IUCV initialization delay

2002-04-15 Thread dkennedy
Some people have been commenting about slowness in starting up IUCV connections to the TCPIP service on z/VM. Some mailing list messages on this topic include: http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.25123 http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.25137 It appears the issue with this i

Re: SLES7 for S/390 and Tomcat 4.03 Automating Startup Problem

2002-04-15 Thread Rengasamy, Samy
I had the same problem and I still have the same problem. I tried all trace/debug options Tomcat startup just aborts after echoing the classpath and catalina_home environment variables. I posted the scenario earlier and have not got a solution working for me. Samy Rengasamy. -Original Mes

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Phil Payne
> It looks like Phil is getting himself quite a bit of mileage out of > that one flame, isn't he? But then, he'd better, since he worked > long and hard to harvest it... The flame itself is of little interest. It looks unoriginal - perhaps derived from one of the classic flames stored away on

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Phil Payne
> >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/16259 is the original. > >> >Tells you more > >> >about the Hercules effort in one post than a year of reading would do. > > FWIW - I tried to read it (and I have a Yahoo groups login,) but > apparently it's restricted to members of the He

Re: Does anynone know about a Linux for AS/400 list?

2002-04-15 Thread Jim Elliott
http://lists.linuxppc.org Regards, Jim

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Henry Schaffer
>> > ... >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/16259 is the original. >> >Tells you more >> >about the Hercules effort in one post than a year of reading would do. FWIW - I tried to read it (and I have a Yahoo groups login,) but apparently it's restricted to members of the Herc

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Willem Konynenberg
"Mike Ross" wrote: [Phil Payne wrote:] > >He doesn't appear to realise that the original was not > >only written by one of his Hercules cronies, but it's still in the Hercules > >archives. > > > >Physician heal thyself. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/16259 is the origi

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Phil Payne
> As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without > incrementing the version number, contrary to normal IBM practice), and *all* > references to Hercules have been carefully expunged! Roger Bowler's name has also been removed from the list of contributors. It would be stran

Does anynone know about a Linux for AS/400 list?

2002-04-15 Thread Ulisses Penna
Hi, This list (linux-390) is very good (at least I think). However I´d like to know if someone could point to me a list for Linux at AS/400 Thanks.

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Mike Ross
> > Some amusment over on the Hercules list - the 'Linux on S/390' Redbook, > > SG244987, originally contained a chapter on running Linux on the >Hercules > > emulator. Not surprising - it's known to be used by quite a few folks >inside > > IBM. > >It was, certainly. Is it still? I've no idea -

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread David Boyes
> There might be something in that, but it strikes me very much > as 'locking > the stable door' if that was the thought process which > occured: the redbook > in question has been out for over six months. Pulling the Hercules > references now seems pointless. Also, if IBM had substantive > IP con

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Florian La Roche
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 12:32:30PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > James Melin wrote: > > > If anyone feels like e-mailing me the PDF of the redbook with* the hercules > > stuff in it, please do. > > Try ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/s390/docs/ > or a related mirror site. ftp://ftp.r

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Phil Payne
> Some amusment over on the Hercules list - the 'Linux on S/390' Redbook, > SG244987, originally contained a chapter on running Linux on the Hercules > emulator. Not surprising - it's known to be used by quite a few folks inside > IBM. It was, certainly. Is it still? > As of (apparently) March

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread James Melin
Already been bombed. Just now. So I got it. Thanks for sending it - whomever that was. |-+> | | "Post, Mark K" | | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | m> | | | Sent by: Linux on| |

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
James, Feeling particularly like getting mail-bombed today? :) The book is around 5MB in size. Multiply that by a few dozen well-meaning list subscribers... Mark Post -Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROT

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
I used the "review this redbook" link to tell them what I thought about the stealth change. I also mentioned that I hoped "my" redbook would not be the subject of similar treatment in the future. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Mike Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Stefan Gybas
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:22:09AM -0500, James Melin wrote: > If anyone feels like e-mailing me the PDF of the redbook with* the hercules > stuff in it, please do. You can still download the old version from ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/s390/docs/sg244987.pdf Regards, Stefan Gybas

Re: SLES7 for S/390 and Tomcat 4.03 Automating Startup Problem

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Donna, I've run into similar problems in the past when I forget that at system start time, there's usually no PATH environment variable defined, so the scripts I write tend to fail. To get more debugging information, you can put a "set -x" command right after the #!/whatever line you have in the

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Greg Smith
James Melin wrote: > If anyone feels like e-mailing me the PDF of the redbook with* the hercules > stuff in it, please do. Try ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/s390/docs/ or a related mirror site. Greg Smith

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread James Melin
If anyone feels like e-mailing me the PDF of the redbook with* the hercules stuff in it, please do. |-+> | | Mike Ross| | | | | | Sent by: Linux on| | | 390 Port

Re: Backup possibilities under the 2.2.x kernal

2002-04-15 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 11:09, James Melin wrote: > > Hey Gang. I was wondering what exactly one can do in a native LPAR > installation of Linux, using the 2.2x kernal If you are a licensee of FDR, then you can use it to backup pre-2.4 volumes. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTE

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Gelbard, Sandy
No VM here. I have done this procedure successfully before. I'm not sure what happened this time though. -Original Message- From: Loren Charnley, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: can't mount root after dasd move Sand

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Sandy, Looking at this a little closer... The kernel reports a parmfile of: dasd=33a0,33a1 root=/dev/dasdb1 initrd ro You say your old parmfile had: dasd=31A0,31A1 root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd Those don't match is several details, such as the case of the device numbers, noinitrd vs. initrd, ro mi

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Mike Ross
> > As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without > > incrementing the version number, contrary to normal IBM > > practice), and *all* > > references to Hercules have been carefully expunged! > > Anyone with a clue what's going on? Suspicious of rewriting history! > >Pure sp

Re: Apache internal server error with perl cgi scripts

2002-04-15 Thread Patterson, Ross
Gustavson, John (ECSS) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We are running 2.4.7 kernel, which comes with Apache 1.3.19. > We moved a Web Application from a Sun box, and all pages > work, except for the PERL CGI scripts which receive "Internal > Sever Error" on the > web page, and > > "[Mon Apr 15 10:58:

Re: Linux under VM with OSPF Dynamic Routing.

2002-04-15 Thread Lionel Dyck
Marcy (say hi to Rebecca for mw). I would be very interested in more information on setting up dynamic routing. thx Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek

Re: Linux under VM + Toolsets.

2002-04-15 Thread Gustavson, John (ECSS)
We are running the vlan with 2.4.7 kernel, and it works great. No problems yet. Be aware, some SUSE distributions don't have the kernel patch to enable hiper sockets, so check that before you install. The 2n'd question is up for debate. I think it is a matter of preference, which should be

Re: Linux under VM with OSPF Dynamic Routing.

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Marcy, If you would write up the dynamic example, I'd be more than happy to include it as well. :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Linux under VM with OSPF Dynamic Routing.

Linux under VM + Toolsets.

2002-04-15 Thread Eric Lawler
Hi, We currently have a limited development Linux set-up of 4 guest virtual machines, running under Z/VM 3.1.0. We use a Suse 2.2.16 kernel / OS/390 gateway IP stack machine with onward connection to Linux machines via virtual ctcs which are a little unreliable when we have to re logon the Linux

Re: OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread David Boyes
> As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without > incrementing the version number, contrary to normal IBM > practice), and *all* > references to Hercules have been carefully expunged! > Anyone with a clue what's going on? Suspicious of rewriting history! Pure speculation, b

Linux under VM with OSPF Dynamic Routing.

2002-04-15 Thread Marcy Cortes
Eric wrote: >My network colleague would now like to know if anybody has experience of >running Linux under VM >with OSPF dynamic routing (GateD). If so, are there any pitfalls and cou >you possibly provide some >sample config files ? We run z/VM 4.2 with Guest Lan and let VM TCPIP do the OSPF ro

Re: SLES7 for S/390 and Tomcat 4.03 Automating Startup Problem

2002-04-15 Thread Gustavson, John (ECSS)
I am running the 2.4.7 kernel, and have the exact same problem. I think it may have something to due with being started too soon. I was going to put a sleep command in, just to see if it helped, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Regards John Gustavson Enterprise C

Apache internal server error with perl cgi scripts

2002-04-15 Thread Gustavson, John (ECSS)
We are running 2.4.7 kernel, which comes with Apache 1.3.19. We moved a Web Application from a Sun box, and all pages work, except for the PERL CGI scripts which receive "Internal Sever Error" on the web page, and "[Mon Apr 15 10:58:39 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /u03/h

OK who messed with the redbook?

2002-04-15 Thread Mike Ross
Some amusment over on the Hercules list - the 'Linux on S/390' Redbook, SG244987, originally contained a chapter on running Linux on the Hercules emulator. Not surprising - it's known to be used by quite a few folks inside IBM. As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without

Backup possibilities under the 2.2.x kernal

2002-04-15 Thread James Melin
Hey Gang. I was wondering what exactly one can do in a native LPAR installation of Linux, using the 2.2x kernal (I've not gotten the 2.4 distribution) from SuSE to backup their system. I understand that the 2.4 kernal allows/can allow the s/390 side of the coin to backup the Linux volumes native

SLES7 for S/390 and Tomcat 4.03 Automating Startup Problem

2002-04-15 Thread Donna Awald
I have installed the tar version of Tomcat 4.03 and want to incorporate it in the /etc/init.d start up process. I took the skeleton script and modified it for Tomcat. I can successfully start it manually with the /etc/init.d/tomcat start command, and stop it with the /etc/init.d/tomcat stop comm

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Loren Charnley, Jr.
Sandy, Is your LINUX running under VM? If so, did you change the minidisk statements in the directory and make sure that the volumes are in the sys config and are attached to system when you start? I moved some of my dasd around a few months ago under VM and didn't have any problems. It also ve

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Post, Mark K
Sandy, It might have made a difference that your system was not brought down cleanly, but I don't know that it caused your problem. Yes, you can fix your system without reinstalling. Bring up your installation kernel/ramdisk system. Do an insmod dasd dasd=216A,216B,216C to get access to your d

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Gelbard, Sandy
Sorry for the typo Actual: old = dasd=33A0,33A1 root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd > -Original Message- > From: Gelbard, Sandy > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:37 AM > To: 'Linux on 390 Port' > Subject: can't mount root after dasd move > > Hello again, >

Re: can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Sergey Korzhevsky
15.04.2002 17:37:28 "Gelbard, Sandy" wrote: >1) I updated my parmfile to replace the old ucb's with the new ucb's > >old = dasd=31A0,31A1 root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd > >new = dasd=216A,216B,216C root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd ^^ >Command line is dasd=33a0,33a1 root=

can't mount root after dasd move

2002-04-15 Thread Gelbard, Sandy
Hello again, I am having difficulty accessing my linux system now that I have moved my dasd packs. Here are the facts: 1) I updated my parmfile to replace the old ucb's with the new ucb's old = dasd=31A0,31A1 root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd new = dasd=216A,216B,216C root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd 2) I r