Re: SLES 10 No catalog found at ftp:

2006-11-16 Thread Karel Gentens
Indeed, it was the OS/2 server. We installed a laptop with Redhat linux, created an ftp server, and it worked. The live cd's where no sollution, they do not include an ftp server. Kind Regards, Karel Gentens KBC Groep NV VM - Systemen (CCM1 - CMI) Egide Walschaertstraat 3, 2800 Mechelen [EMAIL P

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:29:01 +0100 Mark Perry said: >David Boyes wrote: >>> The last I heard, you can't run z/OS on z/VM. Regular VM is OK. >>> >> Your >> >>> best >>> bet is to run z/OS in an LPAR by itself, and run z/VM in another LPAR. >>> >> >> ??? Who told you that? The black helicopters fro

Re: How much of a system for a basic web and mail server?

2006-11-16 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Jay? For Intel X86 not the 64-bit stuff, why not Slackware? Its quite easy to install, and even easier to use. In fact I am typing this message into my Google Mail account window using KDE on what was the current before 11.0. I should also add that I'd be more then willing to contribute as

Re: How much of a system for a basic web and mail server?

2006-11-16 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Jay Maynard wrote: On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 03:19:14PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: Note that Debian is currently 31-bit, not 64-bit (that is, s390, but not zSeries--there is, however, an amd64 port), Not to mention an Alpha port, as well. I'm more than a little sur

Re: How much of a system for a basic web and mail server?

2006-11-16 Thread Jay Maynard
On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 03:19:14PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: > Note that Debian is currently 31-bit, not 64-bit (that is, s390, but not > zSeries--there is, however, an amd64 port), Not to mention an Alpha port, as well. I'm more than a little surprised it hasn't been built for s390x, although I

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread David Boyes
> There's also a ton of vendor sw (systems management and other) on > Solaris. If that doesn't get ported as well, doubtful that any large > corp where solaris has been for years would be able to get much use out > of it. It's still an evolving story with z/Linux. All true. But, the first argume

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Nix, Robert P.
Ls -l --time-style long-iso produces your original output, but I don't know how you're getting it set. Do you have something odd in your locale settings? Remember that cron does not run in your login shell, net even in a standard system login shell. None of your environment variables get set, and

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Fargusson.Alan
Good point. Solaris on x86 has a loyal following, but it is a small group of followers. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:41 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: OpenSolaris There's als

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Marcy Cortes
There's also a ton of vendor sw (systems management and other) on Solaris. If that doesn't get ported as well, doubtful that any large corp where solaris has been for years would be able to get much use out of it. It's still an evolving story with z/Linux. That's my 2 cents. Marcy Cortes "Thi

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread David Boyes
> Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is > needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead? Because there's a lot of operations and institutional knowledge about Solaris in a lot of different places, and while Linux and the *BSDs are low cost/freely acquirable, skill

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
I got it to work by adding --time-style=long-iso to the ls command in the rexx code. I'm going to have to rethink how I design the code, so that my development environment matches the cron environment. Thanks, everyone, for the help. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Sy

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
Thanks, Marcy, I think adding the --time-style=long-iso is the way to go. Now I'm having some issues even getting cron to run the code. I've probably messed up something from changing my crontab constantly. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive

Re: How much of a system for a basic web and mail server?

2006-11-16 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 16, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jay Maynard wrote: I'm idly pondering trying to scare up a Multiprise 3000 somewhere, but will that be beefy enough? You'd get about 100 MIPS per engine from one. So, yeah, very probably. They're pretty beefy boxes. Alternatively, if I eat my own dogfood and run

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Neale Ferguson
There is an active project to port zfs underway. I was reading about it on the Sun blog site. On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 15:03 -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: > I don't think that would have been possible, given the differences in > licensing. If Sun follows through on some comments they've made in the > l

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Post, Mark K
I don't think that would have been possible, given the differences in licensing. If Sun follows through on some comments they've made in the last few days and adds GPL to the list of licenses for Solaris, then I'm sure someone will make the effort to create a Linux version of it. Mark Post ---

How much of a system for a basic web and mail server?

2006-11-16 Thread Jay Maynard
Recently, I had a power supply failure on the machine that, among other things, hosts hercules-390.org. That got me to thinking. (Dangerous, I know.) For various reasons, I greatly prefer to run my Internet-facing box on something other than x86 or AMD64. Currently, I use an Alpha, but those are g

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:56, Marcy Cortes wrote: >ls -al --time-style=long-iso > >Gives you the -mm-dd Doh! I missed that option. So the fix would be to use "-l --time-style=long-iso" in your cron script to force it to use the format you want. - MacK. - Edmund R. MacKenty

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I don't know rexx, but I would guess that address system creates a new shell environment that will not change the rexx environment. The sourcing of /etc/profile would need to be in the crontab file at a point before you invoke the rexx script. Probably something like ". /etc/profile;do_the_rex

Re: Participants needed for online survey on open source software

2006-11-16 Thread David Kreuter
Hi Julie: let me know where the URL is - David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Julie Tan Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 1:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Participants needed for online survey on open source software Hello: If you are interested in participating

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Marcy Cortes
Right. I was thinking he had it the other way around with the cron one acting unexpectedly. But, anyway, Mark can solve his prob with the --time-style option :) Looks like the aliases already set up in the default shell are in var $LS_OPTIONS. These seem to be as shipped in SuSE: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Now you tell him... :) Thomas David Rivers wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to port the file system to Linux than to port the OS to z-arch? - Dave Rivers - -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! ht

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Or an alias? Marcy Cortes wrote: ls -al --time-style=long-iso Gives you the -mm-dd Valid arguments are: - `full-iso' - `long-iso' - `iso' - `locale' So, must be related to locale setting? Marcy Cortes "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Perry > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:52 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: OpenSolaris > > > McKown, John wrote: > > Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris ha

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
> I can't reproduce this, but my guess is that some ls option is being set in /etc/profile. The cron jobs don't source /etc/profile. >You could source /etc/profile in your cron job with ". /etc/profile" and see if that makes it work. I added address system '. /etc/profile' to my rexx program. N

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Thomas David Rivers
I thought people we working to Make ZFS available for Linux. Also - I know the initial work to get ZFS into FreeBSD is well under-way - the initial patches have recently become available. Wouldn't it be easier to port the file system to Linux than to port the OS to z-arch? - Dave Rivers

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marcy Cortes > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:57 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: cron oddity? > > > ls -al --time-style=long-iso > > Gives you the -mm-dd > > Valid arg

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Marcy Cortes
ls -al --time-style=long-iso Gives you the -mm-dd Valid arguments are: - `full-iso' - `long-iso' - `iso' - `locale' So, must be related to locale setting? Marcy Cortes "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or autho

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
McKown, John wrote: Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead? ZFS Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emai

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
James Melin wrote: z/VM 5.2 has lots of goodies that can be leveraged in a z/9 system, so getting a z/9 if possible is good. Yes a z9 was my request! But unless I can justify it for a TEST project, other projects may force me onto older hardware. As others have said, a mix IFL and traditonal

Re: OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread McKown, John
Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead? -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 11/16/2006 at 06:29 CET, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only "issue", is whether running Linux in the same z/VM as z/OS is a > good idea or not. Where is cost is not an issue, running Linux and z/OS in the same z/VM LPAR (standard engines only) is a fine idea. Works grea

OpenSolaris

2006-11-16 Thread Neale Ferguson
Hi, Earlier posts to this list made reference to some work being done on Opensolaris on System z. I've been experimenting with this for several months now. There's about 150,000 lines of new or changed code involved. I thought it'd be useful/interesting to summarize where I'm at. Below is the con

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Thursday 16 November 2006 12:48, Mark D Pace wrote: >I get the same results using ls or /bin/ls > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> /bin/ls -l >total 41420 >drwxr-xr-x 2 marpace users 4096 2006-11-16 09:30 bin This is too wierd! I can't get that -MM-DD format out of my ls at all. Does anybody els

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
Adam Thornton wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mark Perry wrote: Cost not an issue :-) There's something you don't hear too often. Adam Well obviously every cent has to be justified (bean counters get everywhere), but its not the limiting factor here - getting (pre-approved) projects do

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I can't reproduce this, but my guess is that some ls option is being set in /etc/profile. The cron jobs don't source /etc/profile. You could source /etc/profile in your cron job with ". /etc/profile" and see if that makes it work. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EM

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Little, Chris
> > > Cost not an issue :-) > > mark > Can I come work there? ;> -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.e

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
I get the same results using ls or /bin/ls [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> /bin/ls -l total 41420 drwxr-xr-x 2 marpace users 4096 2006-11-16 09:30 bin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ls -l total 41420 drwxr-xr-x 2 marpace users 4096 2006-11-16 09:30 bin I just tried this on my PC linux and get the same resu

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mark Perry wrote: Cost not an issue :-) There's something you don't hear too often. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
David Boyes wrote: The last I heard, you can't run z/OS on z/VM. Regular VM is OK. Your best bet is to run z/OS in an LPAR by itself, and run z/VM in another LPAR. ??? Who told you that? The black helicopters from Endicott need to reeducate this individual. You can't have a virtual mach

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
Adam Thornton wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Mark Perry wrote: Anyone got any good reasons why I should consider creating 2 z/VM systems to keep the z/OS and Linux Guests apart? Because that way you can run your Linux guests on IFLs and save lots of licensing money on your z/OS software.

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
Marcy Cortes wrote: That's probably because z/OS won't run on IFLs and IFLs and general processors can't be mixed in the same LPAR. Marcy Cortes Not an issue Marcy ;-) Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive acc

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread James Melin
z/VM 5.2 has lots of goodies that can be leveraged in a z/9 system, so getting a z/9 if possible is good. As others have said, a mix IFL and traditonal CP's for a number of reasons are a good thing. Give your z/OS systems all the CPU they need, but not more than they need, and give your linuxen

Re: cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Thursday 16 November 2006 11:29, Mark D Pace wrote: >I've written a rexx program to run under cron to do clean up on a >directory. It runs fine when I run it myself, but it fails under cron. >Trace output from the cron run job shows > >"sudo ls -lGgh /srv/ftp/pub" >"-r--r--r-- 1 14M Nov 7

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Indeed, that's certainly a good reason! :) Marcy Cortes wrote: That's probably because z/OS won't run on IFLs and IFLs and general processors can't be mixed in the same LPAR. Marcy Cortes "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or a

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread David Boyes
> The last I heard, you can't run z/OS on z/VM. Regular VM is OK. Your > best > bet is to run z/OS in an LPAR by itself, and run z/VM in another LPAR. ??? Who told you that? The black helicopters from Endicott need to reeducate this individual. You can't have a virtual machine as a member of a

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 16, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Mark Perry wrote: Anyone got any good reasons why I should consider creating 2 z/VM systems to keep the z/OS and Linux Guests apart? Because that way you can run your Linux guests on IFLs and save lots of licensing money on your z/OS software. Adam --

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Marcy Cortes
That's probably because z/OS won't run on IFLs and IFLs and general processors can't be mixed in the same LPAR. Marcy Cortes "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, cop

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread David Boyes
> This z/VM system will be dedicated to the project, and can be considered > a TEST environment so performance need not be exceptional, but should be > "sufficient". It could be running on various zSeries hardware (if that > is relevant) z900/990 or z9. All DASD will be on Sharks. You may need to

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Joe Poole
The last I heard, you can't run z/OS on z/VM. Regular VM is OK. Your best bet is to run z/OS in an LPAR by itself, and run z/VM in another LPAR. On Thursday 16 November 2006 11:07 am, Mark Perry wrote: > Hi List, > I am considering creating a z/VM 5.2 system for a project. The project > require

Re: Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
I too would be interested in how 5.2 plays in to this and the historical reasons for NOT to run z/OS under z/VM. But consider a separate LPAR for the z/OS guests (not necessarily a separate z/VM system). I have a customer considering a similar scenario. The (and I'm really growing weary of this

cron oddity?

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
I've written a rexx program to run under cron to do clean up on a directory. It runs fine when I run it myself, but it fails under cron. Trace output from the cron run job shows "sudo ls -lGgh /srv/ftp/pub" "-r--r--r-- 1 14M Nov 7 16:02 GE_Mainline_Ansys ver2.ppt" HUH? when I do it manua

Question: z/VM 5.2 with z/OS 1.8 SYSPLEX and various Linux Guests

2006-11-16 Thread Mark Perry
Hi List, I am considering creating a z/VM 5.2 system for a project. The project requires a z/OS SYSPLEX with DB2 Data Sharing, and various Linux Guests (Suse/Redhat) All of this will be "bleeding edge", so consider z/OS 1.8 going to 1.9 CB02 later. DB2 will be V8 and V9. Linux Guests will be late

Re: "Close-wait"

2006-11-16 Thread David Boyes
> This problem occure when we have the load blance to to see if the C:D is > up by probing the port , this is corrected. Yes, that would clearly cause it. I don't know of any commercially available load balancers that understand the C:D protocol well enough to do a layer 4 transaction to ver

Re: REXX Trace output

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
Ah ha! A better formed google search found it. test.rxx > say.txt 2> trace.txt The 2> sent the trace output to trace.txt Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 Office: 850.219.5184 Fax: 888.221.9862 http://www.mainli

Re: REXX Trace output

2006-11-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Maybe 2> ? Mark D Pace wrote: I'm looking for a way to have REXX Trace output written to a file instead of being displayed on the terminal. I've tried test.rxx >> foobar but the only thing that goes in foobar is the Say instructions and the trace information is still written to the terminal.

REXX Trace output

2006-11-16 Thread Mark D Pace
I'm looking for a way to have REXX Trace output written to a file instead of being displayed on the terminal. I've tried test.rxx >> foobar but the only thing that goes in foobar is the Say instructions and the trace information is still written to the terminal. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Eng

Participants needed for online survey on open source software

2006-11-16 Thread Julie Tan
Hello: If you are interested in participating in an online survey on open source software and development practices in for-profit corporations, please email me with your name. The data collected from the survey will help me fulfill my Master's thesis requirements at NYU. After receiving your nam

Re: Strangeness with Apache2

2006-11-16 Thread James Melin
We start it 'via the shell' at boot time with the init.d runlevel processing. I can't say as I've had any experience with Webmin but I find it interesting that there's a problem open on a perhaps similar experience. Much like our reported problem with tracepath over a hipersocket network reporti

Re: "Close-wait"

2006-11-16 Thread Eddie Chen
This problem occure when we have the load blance to to see if the C:D is up by probing the port , this is corrected. Now it seems we have user write API to to talk to C:D and it causing the problem. Do you guys feels reducing the default 18 for the TCP-TIME-WAIT BUCKETS POOL SIZE wil